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Post by mystic on Jun 1, 2019 3:09:42 GMT -8
I am not understanding guys why the early Jewish Christians had exchanged the Sabbath as a primary day of worship for the first day of the week? Seems to me they moved away from  to Christianity and I also can't figure out why even after Jesus kept emphasizing the Sabbath that they did not go back to Sabbath worship? |
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Post by alon on Jun 1, 2019 4:13:14 GMT -8
I am not understanding guys why the early Jewish Christians had exchanged the Sabbath as a primary day of worship for the first day of the week? Seems to me they moved away from to Christianity and I also can't figure out why even after Jesus kept emphasizing the Sabbath that they did not go back to Sabbath worship? Early Jewish Christians did no such thing. The first official decree to change the day of worship was in the mid 4th century when Sylvester I was Bishop of Rome. And the church had to keep reissuing that decree for a few centuries to get people to make the change. The Nazarene sect, which was the actual "early church" of Yeshua's followers always worshiped on Shabbat, and did so for many centuries according to the "church fathers" themselves. On the one hand the church tells you there was a 1st century church made up of the apostles and believers who worshiped on Sundays. But their own historical writings tell a much different story. Dan C |
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Post by mystic on Jun 1, 2019 5:57:44 GMT -8
In other words Christians believe in what the Church tells them and not Jesus, is that it?
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Post by alon on Jun 1, 2019 11:57:00 GMT -8
In other words Christians believe in what the Church tells them and not Jesus, is that it? My main point was most Christians read the word church in their NT and have visions of early Jews going into a white clapboard building with a steeple and a cross carrying their Bibles with them on Sunday morning. here was no Christian Church in the 1st century. The terms translated church in the NT either meant assembly or synagogue, but that didn't fit the translators theology so they said church. We know this because the Septuagint translates the same words assembly or synagogue in the OT. SO that assumption is wrong. Their own church historians say it is wrong. Their own church fathers wrote it is wrong. But they are never told of this because the assumption keeps the pews filled on Sundays. But yes, what you say there is correct also. Most people prefer to trust to an authority rather than search out the truth for themselves. Speak clearly to the clown, "I'll take my religion easy, and could you supersize the fries please ... " Dan C |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 1, 2019 14:39:53 GMT -8
In other words Christians believe in what the Church tells them and not Jesus, is that it? My main point was most Christians read the word church in their NT and have visions of early Jews going into a white clapboard building with a steeple and a cross carrying their Bibles with them on Sunday morning. here was no Christian Church in the 1st century. The terms translated church in the NT either meant assembly or synagogue, but that didn't fit the translators theology so they said church. We know this because the Septuagint translates the same words assembly or synagogue in the OT. SO that assumption is wrong. Their own church historians say it is wrong. Their own church fathers wrote it is wrong. But they are never told of this because the assumption keeps the pews filled on Sundays. But yes, what you say there is correct also. Most people prefer to trust to an authority rather than search out the truth for themselves. Speak clearly to the clown, "I'll take my religion easy, and could you supersize the fries please ... " Dan C Maybe you don't realize how it sounds, but that's extremely demeaning toward Christian people. There is an engrained confusion revolving arround the church and its role and place that gives false impressions to Christians, but you don't know what's in the mind of most Christians regarding their vision of early believers. Maybe that's what you imagined as a Christian, but I never had such an idea. I only felt far removed from what I was hearing described. The Christians I speak to don't fit your description either. Their biggest hang up on understanding things the way we do is that they're simply not Jewish, and that's a legitimate obstacle the world hands all of us Gentiles to have to overcome in terms of what we believe. There are also people calling themselves Christians being killed and tortured around the world just because they are Christian. I just think it's really unfair to suggest or assume that a Christian's difficulties with taking upon themselves a Jewish faith that honors Yeshua is just about wanting an easy religion. There's legitimate historical confusion to sort out and overcome, and there are examples of Christians living a very difficult life because they're Christian so I think there's often a lot more to it than just wanting an easy way. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 1, 2019 16:47:22 GMT -8
My main point was most Christians read the word church in their NT and have visions of early Jews going into a white clapboard building with a steeple and a cross carrying their Bibles with them on Sunday morning. here was no Christian Church in the 1st century. The terms translated church in the NT either meant assembly or synagogue, but that didn't fit the translators theology so they said church. We know this because the Septuagint translates the same words assembly or synagogue in the OT. SO that assumption is wrong. Their own church historians say it is wrong. Their own church fathers wrote it is wrong. But they are never told of this because the assumption keeps the pews filled on Sundays. But yes, what you say there is correct also. Most people prefer to trust to an authority rather than search out the truth for themselves. Speak clearly to the clown, "I'll take my religion easy, and could you supersize the fries please ... " Dan C Maybe you don't realize how it sounds, but that's extremely demeaning toward Christian people. There is an engrained confusion revolving arround the church and its role and place that gives false impressions to Christians, but you don't know what's in the mind of most Christians regarding their vision of early believers. Maybe that's what you imagined as a Christian, but I never had such an idea. I only felt far removed from what I was hearing described. The Christians I speak to don't fit your description either. Their biggest hang up on understanding things the way we do is that they're simply not Jewish, and that's a legitimate obstacle the world hands all of us Gentiles to have to overcome in terms of what we believe. There are also people calling themselves Christians being killed and tortured around the world just because they are Christian. I just think it's really unfair to suggest or assume that a Christian's difficulties with taking upon themselves a Jewish faith that honors Yeshua is just about wanting an easy religion. There's legitimate historical confusion to sort out and overcome, and there are examples of Christians living a very difficult life because they're Christian so I think there's often a lot more to it than just wanting an easy way. I think I've done the same thing I'm accusing you of in previous posts, especially when feeling more emotion. I do think it's much more complicated for people then how your post comes across, though. I just worry about anyone who may come here feeling put down or unwelcome, and am projecting that concern a bit on you. Hasatan has made it as difficult as he can for anyone to find the truth as it is, and for whatever reason, I'm much more mindful of that on behalf of anyone who may visit this forum lately. I don't want to make it harder, and think I may have said things here and there that did. We may disagree in beliefs and understanding, but I can understand it's hard to find your way in life because the same adversary is acting against all of us. |
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Post by alon on Jun 1, 2019 17:44:24 GMT -8
Maybe you don't realize how it sounds, but that's extremely demeaning toward Christian people. It was an extreme example which may be demeaning to some Christians, as was intended. Those who refuse to think about what they are told demean themselves. And I do know what is in the minds of many Christians. I was a preachers kid, so I was privy to many things across the congregational spectrum and in the church hierarchy that most never hear. I know how and what they were trained in. I not only sat through it countless times, I did a lot of the training myself as an adult. I know what is in the teachers guides, and what they will and will not allow. And I know how the preachers are trained. I've also sat in on some discussions with some very knowledgable men and women. Some who could run circles around me with scripture quotes and the church's interpretation. But they were really just knowledgable in church doctrine, not the Bible. I have argued this stuff with pastors with Masters degrees, and I answered every question they had. They answered none of mine satisfactorily. And almost every time all I had to say was "Let's read that in context." For those times that didn't answer them we went to the reference libraries in every pastors office and in mine. I've argued with one person on staff at Wycliff and they had to concede my points. And I'm a nobody. This is the most "important" (if you can call it that) thing I do. But the truth speaks for itself. The first time I attended synagogue the Rabbi asked if I would be coming back. I answered in the affirmative so strongly it took him back. He asked why, and my reply was "I know the ruth when I hear it." That was like coming home for me. And 4 yrs later I am still there. My Mom's side of he family is Pentecostal, so I know their training material and methods as well. And I've attended Methodist and Nazarene churches also. I don't claim to know every denomination, but I have a fair understanding of most and am intimately acquainted with a few. And I've spoken to a fair few of he fringe groups that try to fly the Messianic banner, so I am fairly acquainted with them as well. I'd say I am imminently qualified to make that statement. All these people, even when shown; even when admitting I was right (or at least that they had no answer) still refuse to see. They cling to their familiar views of the Bible and of 1st cen believers. I still talk to some of them, but they won't discuss the Bible or religion with me any more. They demean themselves. I'm no expert on Catholicism, but I talk with Eastern and Greek Orthodox people online. They tend to know their stuff, and have fewer misconceptions like this. But they still refuse to admit practices such as praying to a statue are wrong. But the Roman Catholics I've known, while very good with their Catechisms and other rote teachings do tend to have a lot of these ideas tucked away in their minds. And I'll allow you know more about RC than I do. But I bet I can tell you some things you didn't know. Like why the "sign of the cross?" The priest does it to individuals and they do it to themselves. Did you ever stop to wonder why? It's a tool used by psychologists and psychiatrists called "unzipping." That first hand gesture going from up to down over your center, your heart makes you more open to whatever you are told next. The horizontal component locks in the condition. I'm doing it to you now ... j/k. You have to see or feel it in order to work. And it isn't absolute. I couldn't tell you the sky is purple and make you believe it. But in a church or doctors office where you are already predisposed to accepting what they say this can be a powerful tool. I was told this by a Psychologist in a mal arts discussion, by the way. Certainly not by a priest, who may or may not know why he does it. But I guarantee someone in the church hierarchy does. One of the things we as Messianics work hard at is divesting ourselves of these kinds of misconceptions. And that doesn't happen all at once. I know I still have a few. Others with fewer than me are a help to me, and I in turn try to help newer people like mystic. Payin' it both forward and back. I'm not one that goes around telling Christians they are going to hell if they don't accept Messianism. I've said here many times I don't know that. But if they ask or the topic comes up I will tell them the farther from Yeshua and from His you are, the more danger you are in. Can an Amazon Indian who never heard of our God be saved? Yes, because even nature we are told points to the Creator of All Things. Is it as likely as if a missionary goes there and tell him the good news? Probably not. That I'll give you. But again it is how they were trained. 2000 years of severe persecution of the Jews didn't just happen by accident. It was planned, ingrained in RC's that "the Jews killed Jesus." And again, reading the translations they were given (or hearing them read then preached on for many through the centuries) they came to the conclusion that all the Jews were against Jesus, all were out to get Him. This even though the Gospels speak of the multitudes following Him, Acts records thousands believing, and othe places as well. But they read "All the Jes cried "Let His blood be on us and on our children!" All the Jews ... and "Ok, they asked for it!" I pray for those people nightly, and give to an organization trying to bring their plight to the world's attention. They may or may not have misconceptions. I don't know. The only people I've talked to from that part of the world are online, and they are Messianics who tend to be very strong in their faith, as are those Christians facing death and seeing their families being taken off as slaves. They have passed the ultimate test of faith,  as it is to hear. Again, I give you that point as you are correct. I did not mean to malign them. With some. But come on; most people just want an easy faith served up to hem by an authority figure. There's the straight road, the narrow road, and the easy road. "I'll take road number 3 Bill!" "Let's show him what he's won! ... Close it! Close it! The sulpher and smoke are too much!" Some even believe they can blame the pastor when they stand before God. Any honest pastor will tell them hat's wrong. And you'd be surprised at how many times pastors have to tell people that. Do you want to know what the biggest obstacle in talking to Christians is? At some point they become aware I am taking away their excuses before God. Some actually get angry with me when that realization hits! The thing is, they never had an excuse. If I can figure this out anyone can. My name ain't Einstein, and I was just laughed out of town when I tried to visit Eureka. Someone who went to college or at least seminary should be able to see this and figure it out. I speak the truth as I see it. I'm sorry if it offends some Christians. But as one very good friend who was raised RC, then became a Pentecostal preacher and is now EOC used to put it "Maybe it will offend them right out of Hell!" Dan C |
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Post by alon on Jun 1, 2019 17:51:37 GMT -8
I think I've done the same thing I'm accusing you of in previous posts, especially when feeling more emotion. I do think it's much more complicated for people then how your post comes across, though. I just worry about anyone who may come here feeling put down or unwelcome, and am projecting that concern a bit on you. Hasatan has made it as difficult as he can for anyone to find the truth as it is, and for whatever reason, I'm much more mindful of that on behalf of anyone who may visit this forum lately. I don't want to make it harder, and think I may have said things here and there that did. We may disagree in beliefs and understanding, but I can understand it's hard to find your way in life because the same adversary is acting against all of us. No problem. I know I can be blunt, even abrasive. But I also have a thick skin. And believe it or not I have toned it down a lot since becoming a moderator. I accuse R Reuel of having ulterior motives when he did that! LOL. You are right. There is what we say, what we think we say, and what they hear. And tone is mostly read into posts online since we can't see or hear the author. So I may come across worse to some than I intended. On the other hand I have to speak the truth. Maybe I should try more to tone it down. But not sure how ... told you I wasn't that smart!  Dan C |
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Post by liora on Aug 1, 2019 20:57:10 GMT -8
Maybe you don't realize how it sounds, but that's extremely demeaning toward Christian people. There is an engrained confusion revolving arround the church and its role and place that gives false impressions to Christians, but you don't know what's in the mind of most Christians regarding their vision of early believers. Maybe that's what you imagined as a Christian, but I never had such an idea. I only felt far removed from what I was hearing described. The Christians I speak to don't fit your description either. Their biggest hang up on understanding things the way we do is that they're simply not Jewish, and that's a legitimate obstacle the world hands all of us Gentiles to have to overcome in terms of what we believe. There are also people calling themselves Christians being killed and tortured around the world just because they are Christian. I just think it's really unfair to suggest or assume that a Christian's difficulties with taking upon themselves a Jewish faith that honors Yeshua is just about wanting an easy religion. There's legitimate historical confusion to sort out and overcome, and there are examples of Christians living a very difficult life because they're Christian so I think there's often a lot more to it than just wanting an easy way. I think I've done the same thing I'm accusing you of in previous posts, especially when feeling more emotion. I do think it's much more complicated for people then how your post comes across, though. I just worry about anyone who may come here feeling put down or unwelcome, and am projecting that concern a bit on you. Hasatan has made it as difficult as he can for anyone to find the truth as it is, and for whatever reason, I'm much more mindful of that on behalf of anyone who may visit this forum lately. I don't want to make it harder, and think I may have said things here and there that did. We may disagree in beliefs and understanding, but I can understand it's hard to find your way in life because the same adversary is acting against all of us. I think that it CAN be complicated but the vast majority of Christians forget that they are grafted into Israel, not the other way around. If you're not physically of the House of Israel or the House of Judah, then the covenant stated in Jeremiah 31:30(*31) is not addressed to "you". Scripture is read through a lens that at best, is double-minded. Scripture is clear that YHVH does not change and yet, they have orchestrated an entirely new religion.
IF YHVH does not change AND He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever ... THEN
the standard that that He has for His people remains the same across time.
It is every person's responsibility to "work out their salvation with fear and trembling". It is my responsibility to know why Yeshua is the Messiah and why I must obey every scripture that pertains to me as single female. My soul is my responsibility and it is my responsibility to take scripture at its word. Yeshua is my Rabbi. If anyone, no matter how much I may like them or have learned from them contradicts or sets aside The Word, then it's on me to gently bring it to their attention. If they refuse to submit to scripture, I must move on.
Another problem that I see most Christians having is that they forget? that Yeshua did not speak to the "world" and yet, that is how most read His comments. He's not talking to 'them there pagans', He's talking to 'us'! We are the many who will say, "Lord Lord, didn't we ....". We are the ones who "practice lawlessness". We are the ones walking either the broad or the narrow path. The world is already condemned.
Here's another thing, no place in scripture is festival called "Jewish". YHVH states that they are His feasts. I acknowledge that it's a mess to untangle because you start in it, hear it every week, and then read scripture through that lens but again - it's my responsibility to read ALL of scripture, line upon line. Not in a topical manner. Cherry-picking is a recipe for disaster, JMO.
Those people dying for Messiah overseas usually are given the Brit Chadasha without the Tanakh. Also, usually, they are given the Gospel by someone who does not embrace the Tanakh. Those people have an excuse. All they know is that they have and they're willing to die for it.
It is my belief that those of us in the West, who have the complete Bible, internet access, the plethora of research materials, etc., have no excuse for not obeying all of scripture. It is not hard to learn that Shaul and Yeshua spoke against the Oral - not the Written. It's not hard to read Deuteronomy 13 and know that if Yeshua or Shaul taught anything contrary to the , they would be false prophets - Yeshua would be disqualified as being the Messiah.
I could go on but it is very late and I think I may be rambling. I wrote technical documentation for years so I hope this isn't too direct. 🙂 |
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Post by jimmie on Aug 2, 2019 9:17:51 GMT -8
[/div] Here's another thing, no place in scripture is festival called "Jewish". YHVH states that they are His feasts. [/quote] How readest thou these: Isaiah 1: 14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands. Malachi 2:3 | Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. Ezekiel 36:38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD. Nahum 1:15 Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off. Amos 8:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day. Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Jeremiah 51:39 In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken, that they may rejoice, and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD. Numbers 15:3 And will make an offering by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto the LORD, of the herd, or of the flock: Ezekiel 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. YHVH states that the feasts are Isreal's as well. |
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Post by alon on Aug 2, 2019 11:43:25 GMT -8
Leviticus 23:2 (ESV) “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, These are the appointed feasts of the Lord that you shall proclaim as holy convocations; they are my appointed feasts.
God does unequivocally call them "His" feasts. However jimmie is correct, we have to be careful making absolute statements. So how do we deal with it when someone throws these scriptures at us (even if we are not absolute)? Christians and Jews alike will do it to prove they are "Jewish feasts." Christians so they can say they don't have to keep them, and Jews to say they are a unique part of their culture given to them by God. First off YHWH-Hose’enu, God Our Creator (Psalm 95:6) says He is Adon Khol HaEretz The Lord God of All the Earth (Josh 3:13); but also He is Elohei Ha’Ivriyim, Lord God of the Hebrews (Exodus 3:18). So while God has a special relationship with Israel, at times it is proper to speak of God as being God of everyone. So it is with the feasts. They are undeniably the "Feasts of the Lord." And at times they may be called the feasts of Israel. The above verses come from passages chastising Israel for failing to keep His mitzvoth. Jeremiah 51:39 actually talks about pagan feasts, making them drunk and basically witless. Numbers 15:3 And will make an offering by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto the LORD, of the herd, or of the flock: They are called "your solemn feasts" because it is the Israelites who are keeping them in this instance. The same is true in Ezekiel 45:17. Ezekiel 36:38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Nahum 1:15 Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off. God speaks through His prophets specifically telling the children of Israel they will be restored in their land, the feasts and sacrifices resumed as they were intended to be practiced. So here it is proper to say they are the Israelites feasts, as they are the ones longing to keep them. From Nave's Topical Index: 1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams.
Isaiah 1:11-14 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to me? said the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Isaiah 66:3 He that kills an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrifices a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offers an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burns incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yes, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations.God often chastised Israel for her infidelity. And like the feasts, He calls the sacrifices He ordained "their" sacrifices and says He does not delight in them. This is the same sense He spaeks of "their (Israel's)" feasts in. We, like all Israel keep the "Feasts of the Lord." But if we come to them with less than pure hearts and clean hands we might as well be eating a pork roast, because El-Roiy, The God Who Sees Me (Genesis 16:13) does not delight in partial obedience. Now I know that sounds absolute, however there are those in contemporary Messianism who for various reason cannot keep all the applicable mitzvoth. I am one of them, living in a divided household (probably the most common reason by far). We do the best we can, and I believe God honors that. There are also today as in the time of Yeshua God-fearers who have not taken on observance completely, yet are attached to Israel by their faith in Yeshua. They either keep all they know of (what they are taught in church) or they are moving towards full observance. I'll say again, I do not know where the demarkation line is between saved and condemned. All I'll say on that topic is the farther you are from Yeshua and His you are, the more you are in danger of missing the mark and being eternally condemned. Whenever God places one of these people in front of me and they are open to the truth, it is my responsibility to help them see it. What they do with the truth is between them and God. So it is when someone quotes these kinds of verses to us. A door has been opened, and we should take full advantage. The first thing I always do is say "Let's read that in context." And from there we can explain His commandments to them as they are given in . They are His feasts, and we all should be keeping them. Same with all the commandments (all that apply). Dan C
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Post by liora on Aug 5, 2019 10:36:07 GMT -8
[/div] Here's another thing, no place in scripture is festival called "Jewish". YHVH states that they are His feasts. [/quote] How readest thou these: Isaiah 1: 14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands. Malachi 2:3 | Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. Ezekiel 36:38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD. Nahum 1:15 Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off. Amos 8:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day. Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Jeremiah 51:39 In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken, that they may rejoice, and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD. Numbers 15:3 And will make an offering by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto the LORD, of the herd, or of the flock: Ezekiel 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. YHVH states that the feasts are Isreal's as well. [/quote][/div][/div][/div]
I read it as G-D's feast were instituted for His people. Absent of His doing so, they would not have been known or observed. He determined their name, when to be observed, as well as how they were to be observed. So, while I agree with the scripture posted, I think that you took what I said out of context. Context is king. My point was that the argument that non-Jews use that they do not have to observe "Jewish feasts" is wrong because as I stated poorly, I'll admit, the feasts are His and to be obeyed if you are His. He expects His people to show up on the days that He has specified.
Similar to the U.S. Constitution. Yes, it is ours as Americans but "we", as in you and I, just so I'm clear, did not decide its contents. Anyone who wishes to be an American must abide by "our" Constitution.
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Post by jimmie on Aug 6, 2019 15:53:07 GMT -8
I agree.
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Post by liora on Aug 19, 2019 14:21:58 GMT -8
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to Christianity and I also can't figure out why even after Jesus kept emphasizing the Sabbath that they did not go back to Sabbath worship?
as it is to hear. Again, I give you that point as you are correct. I did not mean to malign them.
