Why is the heart of Christianity in Rome?

[mystic]

With everything the Romans did to Jerusalem and Jews why is the Vatican in Rome? Also why isn't the Pope Jewish since Christ was?

[Elizabeth]

Catholicism is not a religion of the G-d of Israel. Many Christians don't even consider it Christian. It's a political entity at its origin that used the name of Jesus and the scripture to bolster its credibility and power over people. It's not in Jerusalem and the Pope is not Jewish because it was about consolidating political power in Rome through religion. That's typically how all governments gained credibility at that time - through religion.

It's just history that at its origins, it's a politically driven entity of power-hungry people built on religious lies that mix paganism with Scripture because it was effective and convenient to appease and control the masses.

[alon]

Apr 6, 2019 4:37:02 GMT -8 mystic said:

With everything the Romans did to Jerusalem and Jews why is the Vatican in Rome? Also why isn't the Pope Jewish since Christ was?

Rome was the seat of pagan power and the dominant world power at the time of Yeshua. Rome is also the power that martyred so many of the Notsarim sect. The catholic (universal) church, and later the Roman Catholic Church was born out of that paganism and continued the persecutions. The early church fathers were unrepentant pagans, and churches today are, to varying degrees still steeped in paganism; the RC church being one of the worst. And like pagans everywhere, the church hates the Jews, especially Messianic Jews. So Rome makes a lot of sense for the seat of the RC church. And the Pope cannot be Jewish, because the Jews are so hated by the RC church. Judaism and Roman Christianity do not mix well at all- Messianic Judaism is especially hard to mix with Roman Chrisianity. We are a huge threat to them as we point out time after time and place after place where theit biblical interpretations are wrong, their translations are wrong, and their doctrines are straight from the pit of Hell!

Dan C

[Elizabeth]

The whole thing is sad and disturbing. Catholicism has a hold on people through what they call "tradition".  I'm not trying to reference Fiddler here.  There is serious concern I have, and this is the actual word used to excuse and perpetuate the confusion. Maybe that's why I'm also suspicious of some Messianic Judaism practices based more on Rabbinic tradition.  Until I understand the origin and it's scriptural foundation, I'm just wary.                                  
 
There's such a disconnect between the common Catholic person and the reality of what they're doing because everything seems fancy, intricate, profound and old. The idea of tradition is what is given as reasoning for what is scripturally unfounded, and it's also what keeps people feeling like they're a part of something bigger than them. At least that's what I recall from when I was Catholic. We just didn't even think about much beyond the traditions to get to scripture because there was so much seeming meaning surrounding the "traditions".  I  could just focus on that, and the unsaid foundation for me doing that was that I didn't have some basic wisdom or understanding that those before me had. If it didn't make sense, it was because I didn't know something some person with greater understanding did. Meanwhile, the explanation given for any seeming contradiction with scripture was this long-standing tradition that again suggested we had somehow lost some sort of understanding or wisdom that the tradition was founded on. Basically the fact it was tradition justified it being a tradition. 

The whole thing is an elaborate farce to disguise the truth. It's so sad how much pomp and ornamentation people have invested into this institution. That is something I have noticed about a lot of idolatrous religions - they're very full of fancy traditions that people do for the sake of tradition that seem to just serve as a diversion from actually thinking about what's underneath what's being done. What seems to rope people in is the mystique, symbolism, ritual complexity and sense your participating in something full of meaning with longstanding generational ties that are somehow just beyond you

I think we're seeing on a large scale the result hasatan can accomplish through doing away with Torah in the mind of us Gentiles in the Catholic Church. hasatsn left us a void by taking the Torah out of our thinking and ways so he could the void with his unG-dly counterfeit. Further, by centering it on elaborate and fancy rituals full of tradition he keeps people busy enough to miss the truth. It's his general mode of operation, but clearly seen I think in the Catholic Church. 

It's sad, but I do want to say, that the only non-Messianic religious service I ever participated in that prayed for Israel was Catholic. It may not mean much to anyone but me, but it did help me as at least every weekend, it was brought to my mind that I am somehow connected to Israel and their wellbeing. G-d also used a Catholic service to reach me with that truth. I'm just saying there is hope and maybe a sense of obligation for me regarding Catholic people. Praise our G-d Who moves for the good whenever and wherever He sees it. He loves, waits, watches, and forgives.  The Catholic church may be evil, but there's good in terms of individuals within it to remember. 

I just wanted to add about an hour or so later that this idea of somehow submitting to what's beyond you or what you can't understand also played a role in making me vulnerable to evil attacks.  Apparently, as I now see it after writing this post, there has been an ongoing weakness in my life related to this notion that has gotten me into trouble more than once.  I thought because I can't understand, I should submit and trust even in what I don't understand.

I know there's a truth being twisted there, but I'm just noticing a pattern and some confusion G-d is working out with me that hasatan has exploited related to misplaced or misdirected faith. The truth is we can't understand certain things of G-d, but we can compare it to scripture and confidently throw out what is unscriptural rather then looping ourselves into a cycle of submission and non-debate to falsity stemming from ignorance and lack of confidence. I think when hasatan presents us with an elaborate facade of meaning, we can be kind of swept away by it without strong convictions in a scriptural foundation. This is especially true if we feel inadequate or ignorant, and that is compounded with a widespread engrained disregard for the whole of scripture.  How can you have confidence in scripture if you don't know it?

Anyway, I now see this is something G-d has been addressing with me through all the evil mess I've had to sort out so just giving context to expand on my post. It's the vulnerability that opened me up to both these evil episodes in my life and probably more I'm yet to recognize. I thought that because I couldn't understand I should just accept it because others knew more than me. There's truth in there, but it was twisted to cause me doubt. Because I didn't believe in a true concept of G-d and thought He didn't think very much of me, it just became an exploitation of my faith. Faith isn't the same thing as ignorance because it lends itself to confidence, or something like that is what I'm working on. Anyway, probably one reason why He's working so much out with me while I'm on my own. 

[mystic]

Apr 6, 2019 7:05:06 GMT -8 Elizabeth said:

Catholicism is not a religion of the G-d of Israel. Many Christians don't even consider it Christian. It's a political entity at its origin that used the name of Jesus and the scripture to bolster its credibility and power over people. It's not in Jerusalem and the Pope is not Jewish because it was about consolidating political power in Rome through religion. That's typically how all governments gained credibility at that time - through religion.

Well explained, thanks!

[rakovsky]

In the story of Jonah, Jonah is called by God to go to Nineveh to preach. And Nineveh does accept God as a result. The story is a prophecy of Christianity, according to the Gospels. Rome in the 1st century was analogous to Nineveh for the Israelites. The Roman empire was massive like Assyria (Nineveh's empire) had been. So there was a practical process that made Rome the center: By converting Rome to Christianity, its capitol (the city of Rome) effectively became a new key center for Christianity. (at least one of the centers for Christianity)