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Post by causalset on Sept 17, 2018 19:18:46 GMT -8
I noticed that a lot of Messianic prayer books simply copy stuff from the Jewish prayer books and simply insert references to Jesus at various places. Thus, they still make a prayer of "inscribing in the book of life", just like Jews do. And thats where it doesn't make sense. The Jewish concept is that people are being inscribed into a book of life for a given year. From Mesianic point of view it makes no sense since salvation isn't just for a year, its eternal.
I guess you might argue that this prayer doesn't say the word "year", thus Messianics can read the same words but mean them differently: they are asking to be inscribed into a book of life for eternity. But, if so, this doesn't seem to make sense in a different way. Since they have already accepted Jesus into their heart several years ago, then they are already have been inscribed into the book of life back then. So how can they ask to be inscribed into the book of life "once again", unless they are saying they have fallen away from faith and now are trying to recover? Can someone clarify this to me?
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Post by alon on Sept 17, 2018 20:45:09 GMT -8
I noticed that a lot of Messianic prayer books simply copy stuff from the Jewish prayer books and simply insert references to Jesus at various places. Thus, they still make a prayer of "inscribing in the book of life", just like Jews do. And thats where it doesn't make sense. The Jewish concept is that people are being inscribed into a book of life for a given year. From Mesianic point of view it makes no sense since salvation isn't just for a year, its eternal. I guess you might argue that this prayer doesn't say the word "year", thus Messianics can read the same words but mean them differently: they are asking to be inscribed into a book of life for eternity. But, if so, this doesn't seem to make sense in a different way. Since they have already accepted Jesus into their heart several years ago, then they are already have been inscribed into the book of life back then. So how can they ask to be inscribed into the book of life "once again", unless they are saying they have fallen away from faith and now are trying to recover? Can someone clarify this to me?
Sine there are not a lot of good Messianic prayer books out there, yes, many use the Jewish prayer books. There is nothing wrong with this, since we are essentially Jewish in both our worship and beliefs. Much more-so than we are Christian. And a lot of thought went into those prayers by very Godly men who understood far, far more than ANY Christian about salvation and forgiveness.
Salvation is not a one time event, say the "Sinners Prayer" (which has condemned more people to Hell than anything I can think of), and you have a lifetime fire-insurance policy. Yes, you must believe in Yeshua, and you must repent (a term very few pastors understand). But after this comes your walk with God. If you don't develop a relationship with Him, you fall away back into an unsaved state. This is where  obedience comes into play- is God's instructions to us for holy living and a relationship with Him. No one can snatch you from His hand, but you still have free will and can walk away any time. is your guide in coming back.
Your posts seem to show an animosity towards Judaism. I would encourage you to look further into it before attacking it, or those who adhere to many of its precepts. It is called "Messianic JUDAISM" for a reason.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 18, 2018 7:01:31 GMT -8
I noticed that a lot of Messianic prayer books simply copy stuff from the Jewish prayer books and simply insert references to Jesus at various places. Thus, they still make a prayer of "inscribing in the book of life", just like Jews do. And thats where it doesn't make sense. The Jewish concept is that people are being inscribed into a book of life for a given year. From Mesianic point of view it makes no sense since salvation isn't just for a year, its eternal. I guess you might argue that this prayer doesn't say the word "year", thus Messianics can read the same words but mean them differently: they are asking to be inscribed into a book of life for eternity. But, if so, this doesn't seem to make sense in a different way. Since they have already accepted Jesus into their heart several years ago, then they are already have been inscribed into the book of life back then. So how can they ask to be inscribed into the book of life "once again", unless they are saying they have fallen away from faith and now are trying to recover? Can someone clarify this to me? I kind of see what causalset is saying Alon as I have had similar thoughts about that prayer. I don't pray this part of the prayer, but I do let this inform the rest of my prayers. I simply let this prayer remind G-d to open their eyes bcause I do see how this does seem to reflect what seems like salvational insecurity. Then, I praise G-d we are blessed through Yeshua that we don't have to experience this. Meanwhile, I do pray the heritic prayer, which would shock many Messianics as it was developed to be prayed against us. I just pray it with those who try to hide the truth in my mind and that satan's schemes get turned on his own head. So I think you can let it inform your prayers and understanding, but you don't have to choose to pray it. I think you probably shouldn't if it makes you uncomfortable. |
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