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Post by jedidja87 on Sept 6, 2018 22:23:35 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this belongs to Hebraic roots of Christianity or does this belong to thought section. I'm just interested how Messianic Jews are reading the Bible. What way they are reading the bible in their synagogues? I usually just read side by side old and new testament and i try to start at same time to read old and new testament and finish both at same time. So i read more Old and New Testament. But i have heard that Messianic Jewish people appreciate a lot of pentateuch and it's clearly seen in Forum as well. There is lot of comments concerning pentateuch and concerning the  the law. So do Messianic Jews like read all the time pentateuch and then other books of old testament side by side and something about new testament? And i have heard that when messianic jews are reading pentateuch that they stand on their synagogue and listen it. How do they read in their synagogues the Bible? Then i'm thinking about like Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore you shall lay up these my words in your (mind and) heart and in your (entire) being, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, as forehead bands between your eyes. Like Bible exhorts us to put words in our memory. I have heard about Rabbies, who remember whole old testament completely i don't know does it happen for the word for word but in story sense, right? I am just thinking that it would be nice to learn very effective way to keep on pressing the word in my mind and spirit. |
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Post by alon on Sept 6, 2018 23:50:34 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this belongs to Hebraic roots of Christianity or does this belong to thought section. I'm just interested how Messianic Jews are reading the Bible. What way they are reading the bible in their synagogues? I usually just read side by side old and new testament and i try to start at same time to read old and new testament and finish both at same time. So i read more Old and New Testament. But i have heard that Messianic Jewish people appreciate a lot of pentateuch and it's clearly seen in Forum as well. There is lot of comments concerning pentateuch and concerning the the law. So do Messianic Jews like read all the time pentateuch and then other books of old testament side by side and something about new testament? And i have heard that when messianic jews are reading pentateuch that they stand on their synagogue and listen it. How do they read in their synagogues the Bible? Then i'm thinking about like Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore you shall lay up these my words in your (mind and) heart and in your (entire) being, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, as forehead bands between your eyes. Like Bible exhorts us to put words in our memory. I have heard about Rabbies, who remember whole old testament completely i don't know does it happen for the word for word but in story sense, right? I am just thinking that it would be nice to learn very effective way to keep on pressing the word in my mind and spirit.
Sometimes we stand, but not usually for the main teaching. If you want to see a Messianic service that mostly follows traditional Jewish lines, try to look in on our parent synagogues service every Shabbat from 9:00 Am till 12:00 PST or later:www.synagoguechm.com/livestreaming.htmlMy own synagogue follows a more relaxed format, what we think a 1st cen assembly of believers may have done (though we can't know for sure). We focus much more on the teachings. If you want to know how our /Prophets/New Testament readings are done, look at the weekly Par'shot done here. Mark and I attend the same synagogue, and we alternate weeks doing these. Since the readings are done on a published schedule, it is expected that everyone there has read and meditated or thought about the readings during the week, so we don't read the whole thing. So what you see here is pretty much what they get at synagogue as well. But we want to leave plenty of time for the Rabbi to teach, so we keep it short.
Keep in mind that the Messianic movement is fractured, with a lot of well meaning people trying their best. But sadly there are few really well qualified Messianic Rabbis out there. I am fortunate to have found 2: R Reuel of the parent synagogue of this forum, an extremely studious and dedicated man with a broad knowledge base; and Rav S (my Rabbi), who was raised in Jerusalem literally at the feet of many of the founders and giants of the modern Messianic movement. He is without a doubt one of the most knowledgable Messianic Rabbis in this country. Both men have very different styles in the way they operate their synagogues and do their teachings. The point is that you will find a huge difference in what one synagogue may do as opposed to others.
Also I should tell you that a lot of cults, heretics, and frauds have glommed onto Messianism and try to fly our banner. So use discernment when talking to any one you are not certain about. If in doubt, you can ask here and we'll try to help. But many, such as the Ebionites who pose as Messianic are very good at sucking people in. These people take many forms, but all have in common that they deny the eternal deity of Yeshua. They won't tell you this up front unless you ask, and even then they are generally practiced at deflection and deception, and are not above outright lieing. So if they ever tell you this, turn and leave without a word. Because they are well practicd at heir aguments, and once they have you at brainwashing. I've confronted them first-hand, and they are slick. I rescued a brother from one group just as they first got their hooks into him. But once in, like any cult, few return.
Not to put you off, just to warn you. As soon as God does something, you can bet the enemy will get busy to try to undo or discredit it. If you have questions about anyone, ask here. We'll at least advise you what to ask and what to look for so you aren't walking in blind.
As for binding scripture, just keep reading the Word and meditating on it. You don't have to memorize it- in fact, other than some key verses I'd say time spent memorizing the entire Bible would be better spent in learning to understand the entire Bible. Another key aspect of how we read is trying to understand the truth of God's word. To do that we read everything in context:* historical context
* cultural context
* geographical context
* context of the whole word, starting with
* who was the passage written to
* linguistic patterns and anomalies
* significance to all the above as well as to possible spiritual, prophetic, or other meanings
It's the infinite word of an infinite God, so we cannot just memorize the words in our translations of the Bible. We must try to read with a deeper understanding. You'll notice we often use Hebrew terms here. That is not because we want to sound cool or knowledgable, but because these words carry meanings and connotations not adequately expressed by any English translation. I'll give you an example:
אֲפָפ֤וּנִי׀ חֶבְלֵי־מָ֗וֶת וּמְצָרֵ֣י שְׁא֣וֹל מְצָא֑וּנִי צָרָ֖ה וְיָג֣וֹן אֶמְצָֽא
Psalm 116:3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) Compassed me have cords of death, And straits of Sheol have found me, Distress and sorrow I find.
Only Young did not literally translate this verse. The term חֶבְלֵי־מָ֗וֶת chevle mavet specifically means "umbilical chords." This paints a picture: the pains of birth are reflected in the agonies of death. But more than this, it is a clear implication that from death will come new life- the resurrection (which I'm discussing with someone in another thread right now). So it is often worth our while to research the Hebrew instead of just reading the English translation.
Hope this answers your questions. Feel free to ask if there is more.
Dan C
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