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Post by jedidja87 on May 3, 2018 6:57:52 GMT -8
I would like to know how would you explain righteousness, redemption and repentance, reconciliation and the Law like founded on Old Testament and how they relate to book of Romans. Like Book of Romans uses a lot example how Abraham believed in God and it was counted for righteousness to Abraham, when Abraham believed that he will get son Isaac. It was speaking about righteousness by faith. Like book of Romans it speaks that righteousness doesn't come from the law but from faith in Christ. So the law is  , these 613 commandments.. Sometimes i have thought about it to keep it but like in the Acts 15 when they had this meeting and they spoke that for gentile believers, we should not put more than these necessary, like eating the blood or food, which don't have blood, avoiding pollution of the idols and not being involved in fornication...
How about Repentance how do you explain that? Who is wild olive three in Romans 11:17??
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Post by alon on May 3, 2018 13:47:02 GMT -8
I would like to know how would you explain righteousness, redemption and repentance, reconciliation and the Law like founded on Old Testament and how they relate to book of Romans. Like Book of Romans uses a lot example how Abraham believed in God and it was counted for righteousness to Abraham, when Abraham believed that he will get son Isaac. It was speaking about righteousness by faith. Like book of Romans it speaks that righteousness doesn't come from the law but from faith in Christ. So the law is , these 613 commandments.. Sometimes i have thought about it to keep it but like in the Acts 15 when they had this meeting and they spoke that for gentile believers, we should not put more than these necessary, like eating the blood or food, which don't have blood, avoiding pollution of the idols and not being involved in fornication...
How about Repentance how do you explain that? Who is wild olive three in Romans 11:17??
Thayer's Greek Lexicon G1343 righteousness - dikaiosynē δικαιοσύνη- "the virtue or quality or state of one who is δίκαιος;"
most frequently in the Sept. for צֶדֶק and צְדָקָה
1. in the broad sense, the state of him who is such as he ought to be, righteousness; the condition acceptable to God;
a. universally: the doctrine concerning the way in which man may attain to a state approved of God
The Hebrew words this relates to are tsadek צֶדֶק and tsadekah צְדָקָה; tsadek being upright and just, tsadekah meaning charitable Two terms in the TNK (Old Testament, or OT for short) are of particular interest to us in regards to OT redemption: Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology- The verb gaal [גאל] is a legal term for the deliverance of some person, property, or right to which one had a previous claim through family relation or possession. Goel [גואל] is the term for the person who performed the duties of "redeemer." This term is found eighteen times in the Old Testament (13 times in Isaiah). It was the duty of a man's redeemer, usually his next of kin, to buy back the freedom that he had lost (e.g., through debt). An example of such "redemption" is found in Leviticus 25:47-49, where an Israelite who has had to sell himself into slavery because of poverty may be redeemed by a kinsman or by himself. Property sold under similar conditions could likewise be redeemed, thus keeping it within the family ( Lev 25:24-25 ; Ruth 4:1-6 ; Jer 32:6-9 ).
The meaning of the third verb, kapar [כפר], is to cover. To cover sin, atone, or make expiation are associated meanings. The substantive koper [r,poK] (ransom) is of interest in that it signifies a price paid for a life that has become forfeit ( Exod 21:30 ; 30:11-16 ).The sacrificial system covered sins ( kapar כפר) until Yeshua, acting as our Goel גואל redeemed us once and for all. Baker's Evangelical Dictionary- Repentance
The most common term in the Old Testament for repentance is sub; the verbal forms appear well over 1, 050 times, ... . More commonly the translation is "turn" or "return." A related term is naham, which is translated three times as "repent" in the New International Version. In the New Testament, the most common verb is metanoeo (33 times) and the noun metanoia (20 times). A synonym metamelomai is once translated "repent" ( Matt 21:32 ).
Two requisites of repentance included in sub are "to turn from evil, and to turn to the good." Most critical theologically is the idea of returning to God, or turning away from evil. If one turns away from God, apostasy is indicated. Three times Ezekiel included God's call to the people of Israel: "Repent! Turn from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!" ( 14:6 ); "Repent! Turn away from all your offenses" ( 18:30 ); "Turn! Turn from your evil ways" ( 33:11 ). Such a call was characteristic of the prophets (see, e.g., Isa 45:22 ; 55:7 ; Joel 2:12-13 ). The Septuagint underlines this idea by usually translating sub by epi (apo-)strepho [ajpostrevfw] (to turn about, or to turn away from). The Hebrew idea of repentance meant not just to turn away from your evil deeds, but to turn towards God and the relationship Adam had with Him when they walked together in the Garden. And theein lies the importance of and obedience. In is primarily where God showed us how to walk with Him; how to live holy and righteous lives so that the Ruach HaKodesh (Spirit of God) can reside with us. Reconciliation is found in the goel, redeemer and through repentance. The "Law" is of course ; more accurately translated Instructions." The idea of 613 "laws" in comes from Rabbinical Judaism. You have to understand that what they call laws are really halachic rulings. They are not actual laws found in . Many of those laws are based on the exact same verse, or even part of a verse. So if you were to enumerate the actual verses there are far fewer, and many of those repeat in as well. But if you go by the Rabbinic 613 laws, over half apply just to priests, and many apply only to specific people, like those living in Israel. If one is being a good Christian, there likely would be only a handful of "laws" he'd have to keep additionally in order to be in compliance. So this idea of "too many laws to keep" is a lie of ha'satan, the adversary.
Acts 15 comes up a lot. Let's take a look:
Acts 15:12-18 (ESV)
12 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. 13 After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. 14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 “‘After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,
17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things 18 known from of old.’
This is a type of commentary called "Pesher" in which James relates what is said in the prophets to his time. He is saying this prophecy is being fulfilled in your day, right now! And note that the Gentiles are seeking the Lord as of old; not as a "new" thing, but as the "old" things. I always say there is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing "new" in the "New Testament." God does not change, and Yeshua did not step into a void. he way was prepared for Him. Since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls we've been given an unprecedented look into 1st century life and beliefs, and everything talked about in the NT was already being talked about in the exact same terms. Most of it is also found in the Mishna and other writings as well as the TNK.
Acts 15:19-21 (ESV)
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, 20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. 21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.
Those four things are not everything required of us; otherwise that becomes our entire Bible. The Ten Commandments are nullified, as well as all . And the NT might as well have not been written except for this. So what is it actually saying? Well, all one must do is read the last verse (v 21) and see that you are expected to get further instruction and grow from there. Those four things are what was required as a starting place in order to be admitted into fellowship. But as you hear Moses (a reference to , as Moses was called "the Lawgiver") preached every week, you learn more of what it takes to walk righteously with God. And where do you learn this? Well, in every synagogue on every Shabbat a portion is read from the and one from the prophets. This has been the case ever since the Babylonian exile. If you attend faithfully every week for a year, you will hear the entire read and a 'drash, or teaching given based on that reading. The portion from the prophets relates to the portion. And in Messianic synagogues today you will also get a reading from the Renewed Covenant (NT).
And that is how it all comes together. You learn and obey what it says so that you may walk righteously with God. You learn this in synagogue. There too you will learn about "righteousness, redemption and repentance, reconciliation and the Law." If there is a good synagogue (and I stress the word good, because there are a lot more bad than good Messianic congregations these days), then you should meet faithfully with them every Shabbat. If not, the parent synagogue here does a webcast of their services. You can go here to learn how to access them:
theloveofgod.proboards.com/thread/4280/schm-online-services
If that doesn't work PM me and I'll see if I can get you hooked up with my own synagogues services. They are a lot less formal, even seeming disorganized at times, but he teachings are some of the best to be found. You can also read the par'shot ( readings) I and Ben Avrahampost here every week. The archives contain a lot of good commentary on the par'shot as well.
One last thing, going back to Galatians: whenever you read the word "believed" in scripture, substitute the word "trust" or "trusted" and you'll probably be closer to the original meaning. I usually read it "believe/trust." So our verse there would read: Galatians 3:6 (ESV) just as Abraham “believed/trusted" God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
He believed and trusted God that he would have a son. He believed and trusted God when he was asked (not ordered) to sacrifice his son, since human sacrifice was a detestable thing to God. He told Yitzaak (Isaac) that "God would provide the sacrifice." And he trusted God to the point of striking at his son on the altar with the intent to kill him. Now that is faith in action! Note too that Isaac trusted God. He was not a boy, but a young man. His father was old. He could have easily resisted and overcome his father. But he trusted both his father and his God. Hope tat answers your questions. Dan C |
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, these 613 commandments.. Sometimes i have thought about it to keep it but like in the Acts 15 when they had this meeting and they spoke that for gentile believers, we should not put more than these necessary, like eating the blood or food, which don't have blood, avoiding pollution of the idols and not being involved in fornication...
