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Post by mystic on May 25, 2017 2:41:09 GMT -8
First I am seeing Pentecost as being two things, feast of the harvest and birth of the Holy Spirit, which is it? Also what are gentiles supposed to do on this day please?
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Post by alon on May 25, 2017 8:59:42 GMT -8
First I am seeing Pentecost as being two things, feast of the harvest and birth of the Holy Spirit, which is it? Also what are gentiles supposed to do on this day please? My wife is a member of a Pentecostal church, and my mothers side of the family is Pentecostal. Every year around that time I ask what special day is coming up; and every year I just get blank stares back. When I tell them, I just get an "Oh" and shrug of the shoulders. What they SOULD do is celebrate Shavuot with us! But that is according to God, not the church fathers. So they won't. I think you mean the "giving of the Spirit," not birth. The Ruach HaChodesh is a manifestation of Eternal God, and so could never be born. The Spirit was active in Genesis 1 at creation (recreation). Shavuot is many things. Traditionally it is said the  was given to Moshe on this day. It is tied to the harvest, but it is also one of the shalosh regalim- the 3 feasts when all Jewish men were to be in Jerusalem. And it is the day the Ruach fell on the disciples in the Upper Room. Christians refer to this as the "giving of the Spirit." It is part of their belief that the indwelling of the Spirt is a New Testament thing. However the Ruach filled many men all through Old Testament history, including but not limited to prophets, judges and kings. Dan C edit: here, I looked up a good post to explain the feast; theloveofgod.proboards.com/thread/2551/shavuot-2008-message |
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Post by jimmie on May 25, 2017 15:09:35 GMT -8
It is also the day the law was given, as I recall.
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Post by alon on May 25, 2017 17:33:58 GMT -8
Here's what the parent synagogue sent me for Shavuot: Shalom chaverim,
This is just a reminder about a few upcoming events. This Wed. is Shavuot (The Feast Of Pentecost), which begins the evening before at sundown. We Join_us_for_shavuotwill have both our Erev and Shacharit meetings (6pm & 10am). Vayikra (Leviticus) 23:15-21 states, "'From the day after the day of rest -that is, from the day you bring the sheaf for waving - you are to count seven full weeks, until the day after the seventh week; you are to count fifty days; and then you are to present a new grain offering to HaShem. You must bring bread from your homes for waving-two loaves made with one gallon of fine flour, baked with leaven - as firstfruits for HaShem Along with the bread, present seven lambs without defect one year old, one young bull and two rams; these will be a burnt offering for HaShem, with their grain and drink offerings, an offering made by fire as a fragrant aroma for HaShem. Offer one male goat as a sin offering and two male lambs one year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. The cohen will wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before HaShem, with the two lambs; these will be holy for HaShem for the cohen. On the same day, you are to call a holy convocation; do not do any kind of ordinary work; this is a permanent regulation through all your generations, no matter where you live". It is traditional to stay up late on the eve of Shavuot to worship and study the together. Coffee and traditional snacks will be provided for our late evening. Bring a dairy treat such as cheese cake, ice cream products, ect. to share for both our Erev and Shacharit Shavuot services. **After our Shavuot shacharit service we will have our traditional time that the children (and adults) can come before the congregation to recite the ten commandments. Each child that attempts to do this during that time will win a prize! So, start refreshing the Ten Commandments with your children. We hope to see you all there! |
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Post by Questor on May 25, 2017 18:21:27 GMT -8
Here's what the parent synagogue sent me for Shavuot: Shalom chaverim,
This is just a reminder about a few upcoming events. This Wed. is Shavuot (The Feast Of Pentecost), which begins the evening before at sundown. We Join_us_for_shavuotwill have both our Erev and Shacharit meetings (6pm & 10am). Vayikra (Leviticus) 23:15-21 states, "'From the day after the day of rest -that is, from the day you bring the sheaf for waving - you are to count seven full weeks, until the day after the seventh week; you are to count fifty days; and then you are to present a new grain offering to HaShem. You must bring bread from your homes for waving-two loaves made with one gallon of fine flour, baked with leaven - as firstfruits for HaShem Along with the bread, present seven lambs without defect one year old, one young bull and two rams; these will be a burnt offering for HaShem, with their grain and drink offerings, an offering made by fire as a fragrant aroma for HaShem. Offer one male goat as a sin offering and two male lambs one year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. The cohen will wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before HaShem, with the two lambs; these will be holy for HaShem for the cohen. On the same day, you are to call a holy convocation; do not do any kind of ordinary work; this is a permanent regulation through all your generations, no matter where you live". It is traditional to stay up late on the eve of Shavuot to worship and study the together. Coffee and traditional snacks will be provided for our late evening. Bring a dairy treat such as cheese cake, ice cream products, ect. to share for both our Erev and Shacharit Shavuot services. **After our Shavuot shacharit service we will have our traditional time that the children (and adults) can come before the congregation to recite the ten commandments. Each child that attempts to do this during that time will win a prize! So, start refreshing the Ten Commandments with your children. We hope to see you all there!
I do like the idea of reciting the Ten Commandments...rather joyous, in fact, since the Ruach haKodesh helps us to keep them! |
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Post by mystic on May 26, 2017 2:02:31 GMT -8
Thanks for the info guys but I am still confused about what myself as a gentile is either required to do or should do on the day of Pentecost, first is it really on June 4th?
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Post by Questor on May 26, 2017 11:28:17 GMT -8
Thanks for the info guys but I am still confused about what myself as a gentile is either required to do or should do on the day of Pentecost, first is it really on June 4th?
Say hello...thank him, maybe? Don't work if you can manage it...it's one of G-d's special days.
If you keep Shabbat, you would do pretty much the same on this day too, except vary the readings to the giving of the Commandments, and the Holy Spirit Falling on the same day, read Acts, maybe. Otherwise, celebrate, and rest from work, like all Sabbaths. It is supposed to be enjoyed. |
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Post by alon on May 26, 2017 12:34:38 GMT -8
Thanks for the info guys but I am still confused about what myself as a gentile is either required to do or should do on the day of Pentecost, first is it really on June 4th?
Say hello...thank him, maybe? Don't work if you can manage it...it's one of G-d's special days.
If you keep Shabbat, you would do pretty much the same on this day too, except vary the readings to the giving of the Commandments, and the Holy Spirit Falling on the same day, read Acts, maybe. Otherwise, celebrate, and rest from work, like all Sabbaths. It is supposed to be enjoyed.Actually, it is more. It is a commanded feast. But yes, it is pretty much like a Shabbat. But not exactly: Erev Shavuot: The holiday of Shavuot begins at sundown on Tuesday, May 5th, 2017. It is customary to decorate synagogues and homes with flowers and possibly boughs. The matron of the home lights the holiday candles just as on Shabbat, at or just before sunset. As she does she recites the blessing: Baruch atah Adoni Eloheinu melech haolom asher kideshanu bemitzvotav vetzivonu lehadlik ner shel Yom Tov.
Blessed are you, L-rd our G‑d, King of the universe, who has sanctified us with His commandments, and has commanded us to kindle the light of the Festival Day. Then everyone eats a festive holiday meal. Dairy foods are the custom, so top it off with cheesecake or other dairy delights! Another custom is to remain awake until dawn studying . Shavuot: Wednesday, May 31 is Shavuot reading: Exodus 19:1–20:23; Numbers 28:26–31 Haftorah: Ezekiel 1:1–28; 3:12 Everyone should go to synagogue to hear the reading of the Ten Commandments. If you have no synagogue close, then read them to your family yourself. Do the best you can with what you have. If you have other Messianic believers then you should all meet together. But this is one of the shalosh regalim; it isn’t meant to be kept alone if you can help it. The tradition of eating dairy continues. And you can cook on this day, but no other work is permitted. 2nd Day: Messianics do not typically observe the second day. But some do. reading: Deuteronomy 15:19–16:17; Numbers 28:26–31 Haftarah: Habakkuk 2:20–3:19 Yitzkor, a remembrance service for those who were important to us in our lives is held. We don’t pray for their souls. We just remember them and the good they brought into our lives. Dan C edit: and how could I forget ... you should read the book of Ruth. |
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Post by mystic on May 28, 2017 7:05:45 GMT -8
Why the book of Ruth in particular on that day?
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