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Post by mystic on Mar 10, 2017 3:25:29 GMT -8
Hey guys, how's you all been? Been a while since I've been on here, still doing my daily bible studies and making progress, I hope!
Try and try as I may I am not getting this even up to this day, why do most christians ignore the OT? Even though Christ explicitly states in the NT that he did not come to annul the law, what makes christians think he did?
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Post by alon on Mar 10, 2017 11:45:04 GMT -8
Good to see you again! And good you are still staying with your studies. The quick answer is 2000 yrs. of brainwashing so they interpret the NT the way the early church fathers wanted them to. There is one church here in my relatively small town that teaches its members that they should not even read from the OT. Most just pick and choose what they want to keep from the OT and ignore the rest. The evangelical churches use selected parts to support their doctrines and teach life lessons, but they to say the Law was done away with and was itself just a life lesson. 1500 yrs of Jewish history boiled down to one phrase- "the law can't save you because no one can keep it perfectly." They miss the whole point, which is the "law" is really just Elohim's instructions for holy living. And He has not changed, nor have His expectations of us. We can show them the truth, usually by taking their isolated NT scriptural doctrine verses and saying "let's read that in context." Others we can apply logic to the interpretation. But the  truth is most of them have grown accustomed to a theology that says "you can't keep the law perfectly, so why even try?" To them belief is enough, and that is easy. Obedience ... that can take just a little work. All we can do is tell those who will listen. The rest is between them and God. Dan C |
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Post by jimmie on Mar 10, 2017 15:12:52 GMT -8
The answer to that question lies in these questions:
Why did Eva and Adam eat the fruit?
Why did the pre-flood population reject God?
Why didn't Pharoah let God's people go?
Why did Israel so often fall short of God's commands?
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Post by Questor on Mar 10, 2017 20:57:48 GMT -8
The answer to that question lies in these questions: Why did Eva and Adam eat the fruit? Why did the pre-flood population reject God? Why didn't Pharoah let God's people go? Why did Israel so often fall short of God's commands?
A close friend...or perhaps I might say a formerly close friend...is telling me quite strongly that all they want is a 'simple faith', and not to do all the 'Jewish' stuff that I do. I keep Shabbat and the Festivals, and talk about obedience, so I am being 'Jewish', rather than just reading the Bible. But then, they liked 'The Shack' too, having seen a preview on TBN, and went out to see the movie, since it made them feel so good.
I am worried about what I see everywhere in the Christian world, and it looks like the deception is gaining ground everywhere.
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Post by mystic on Mar 11, 2017 4:25:51 GMT -8
But the truth is most of them have grown accustomed to a theology that says "you can't keep the law perfectly, so why even try?" To them belief is enough, and that is easy. Obedience ... that can take just a little work. Dan C These are some great answers guys, thank you all very much! I get it now, the above statement is very accurate adding that believing in Christ washes away every sin. Yes Questor, christians do see observing the OT as being Jewish, one of my friends even jokingly called me Jewish not too long ago. Yeah Dan, I am still doing my daily studies and getting deeper into my daily praying and getting more and more experienced at it. I am now able to decipher stuff much better on my own which is why my participation on forums has greatly decreased but every now and then I will come across something which will bring me back to try to get clarity. |
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Post by mystic on Mar 13, 2017 2:15:38 GMT -8
A native American had called me recently and since I was always fascinated by the spiritualism of native americans I decided to look into this and spoke to a few people. This raised a question in my mind, since they pray to the "spirits in the sky" and to all things nature related, are they without knowing praying to the God of Moses? Anyone got any thoughts on this please?
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Post by alon on Mar 13, 2017 15:10:20 GMT -8
A native American had called me recently and since I was always fascinated by the spiritualism of native americans I decided to look into this and spoke to a few people. This raised a question in my mind, since they pray to the "spirits in the sky" and to all things nature related, are they without knowing praying to the God of Moses? Anyone got any thoughts on this please? Worship of nature and other spirits is paganism. So no; I'd say they are not worshiping the G-d of Moses. Now if they knew nothing of the One true G-d and their observations made them conclude there was One G-d and they worshiped Him alone, then that would be worshiping the G-d of Moses. Romans 1:19-20 (ESV) For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
So the fact there is One True God can be inferred from nature. But there is also the problem that I doubt there are any Native Americans who haven't heard about Yeshua. So it is to them to worship Him; or they can reject Him in favor of their ancestors, spirits and nature. So it would be good if you could find a way to witness to your Native American friend. He can come on here too. Just tell him to note he is your friend when I email him and as long as he reads the rules and agrees to abide by them I'll approve his request to join. We'll answer any questions honestly and straightforwardly. Dan C |
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Post by mystic on Mar 14, 2017 3:59:12 GMT -8
Thanks for the offer, will relay. What I am thinking Dan is this, I too have always valued nature and before I came to the bible and the God of Moses I used to pray to the universe looking up at the sky and saying the name God. My thinking is the Natives do the same thing just they didn't know about the Jewish God but that is essentially who they pray to.
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Post by alon on Mar 14, 2017 4:54:58 GMT -8
Thanks for the offer, will relay. What I am thinking Dan is this, I too have always valued nature and before I came to the bible and the God of Moses I used to pray to the universe looking up at the sky and saying the name God. My thinking is the Natives do the same thing just they didn't know about the Jewish God but that is essentially who they pray to. Praying to the universe in all its' perceived infinite glory is still worship of the creation, not the Creator. Praying to the Creator while looking up and contemplating the fact that creation is an ongoing thing- that He is holding every molecule, every atom in place every minute of the day: that is how I worship. Think about it. If you asked Him to map the movement of every atom in the universe at any given moment, God could do it! Now that is infinity! That is the Creator! That is Who we serve. So why would I want to pray to a universe that now seems small in comparison? I understand that Native Americans at one time only had what they observed. But the orderly nature of nature itself points to a creator. I have no idea at what point salvation is gained or lost. But contemporary Native Americans have heard of YHVH in all His majesty and glory. So they'd be responsible regardless. Figuring out who was saved before might be a good mental exercise, but would be pointless. We can say that cannibalistic tribes following a Shamin probably were not. Some Southwestern tribes got pretty close to what we believe- though I don't know of any that outright spoke of One God, Creator and Savior. So who knows? We do know that we will all give account for who we believe and trust in; who and what we worship. That's the important question we face today. And having heard, there is only One Name by which we may be saved: Acts 4:11-12 (ESV) This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”Dan C |
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truth is most of them have grown accustomed to a theology that says "you can't keep the law perfectly, so why even try?" To them belief is enough, and that is easy. Obedience ... that can take just a little work. 
