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Post by chrisg on Apr 12, 2016 8:46:00 GMT -8
As I understand it, passover this year is on the same day as a regular Sabbath, namely Friday 22nd April - 23rd at sunset.
I can't see my husband not eating any 'real' bread for a whole week, but I will do the best I can. I can manage to get the kitchen, pantry and living room cleaned and leaven free (as much as possible), but I am pretty certain he will introduce some leavened bread during the week at some point. The rest of the house - well, let's just say we are clutterbugs/packrats (both of us) and my husband uses every room and surface as part of his 'workshop', meaning there are bits of electronics and car engines etc all over the house, making proper cleaning just about impossible. (I'm not complaining; just stating it as it is). I guess I should have started long ago, but it has only just dawned on me that there is lots to be done to get ready.
I had planned on having roast lamb for dinner. Obviously I can't do a whole lamb! But even with just a small piece, is it necessary not to keep any over for the next day? My husband is currently unemployed (regular employment that is - he does do things, but they are not like regular income) and so we can't afford to throw out/burn the leftovers. A normal joint of lamb would usually last us three or four days. I can get some lamb chops or steaks and casserole them, but that isn't roasting. It seems as if I am compromising whichever direction I turn.
With all that
being the case (and please tell me if I have the date wrong), what do I need to do to get ready? Will it matter if it isn't 'perfect'?
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Post by alon on Apr 12, 2016 11:07:59 GMT -8
As I understand it, passover this year is on the same day as a regular Sabbath, namely Friday 22nd April - 23rd at sunset. I can't see my husband not eating any 'real' bread for a whole week, but I will do the best I can. I can manage to get the kitchen, pantry and living room cleaned and leaven free (as much as possible), but I am pretty certain he will introduce some leavened bread during the week at some point. The rest of the house - well, let's just say we are clutterbugs/packrats (both of us) and my husband uses every room and surface as part of his 'workshop', meaning there are bits of electronics and car engines etc all over the house, making proper cleaning just about impossible. (I'm not complaining; just stating it as it is). I guess I should have started long ago, but it has only just dawned on me that there is lots to be done to get ready. I had planned on having roast lamb for dinner. Obviously I can't do a whole lamb! But even with just a small piece, is it necessary not to keep any over for the next day? My husband is currently unemployed (regular employment that is - he does do things, but they are not like regular income) and so we can't afford to throw out/burn the leftovers. A normal joint of lamb would usually last us three or four days. I can get some lamb chops or steaks and casserole them, but that isn't roasting. It seems as if I am compromising whichever direction I turn. With all that being the case (and please tell me if I have the date wrong), what do I need to do to get ready? Will it matter if it isn't 'perfect'? Erev Passover this year is Thur the 21st, and Passover is Fri the 22nd. The Feast of Unleavened Bread then is on Shabbat. That is when most of Judaism will be celebrating the feasts. However there are some sects who figure things differently, and they have their reasons. However until the Temple is rebuilt and the Sanhedrin reseated those reasons aren't generally relevant. So most Meshiachim celebrate Passover along with the majority of Jews worldwide.
Living in a divided home it may not be possible to have a leaven free home. If you can at least on Passover and the first and last days of Unleavened Bread it would be good. However you have no control over what your husband does, so no sin would be involved if the home is not leaven free. You though should refrain from eating any leaven during this time. And again, you are new to this. SO perfection won't be likely. Just do the best you can. My home is not leaven free, as my wife is Christian. However I don't eat leaven, and she is pretty good about checking labels (though I do hear abut it!).
The modern seder and meal for Pesach is not quite done as it was in Exodus 12. Most do not eat lamb. If you do, the bones should not be broken. Chicken is fine, but still the bones are not broken, and if possible an unbroken shank-bone from a lamb should be on the table. If not, substitute the bone from any clean animal. You should try to eat everything, and not cook too much so that isn't possible. However burning what is left is not practical for most of us today. I never really thought about it, but I think all the leftover meat was thrown out at the seders I've helped with. But I don't really know ...
You are moving quite fast right now, so don't be hard on yourself if things aren't perfect. I do hope your family enjoys and learns from this Passover though. It is enriching to see these things through Jewish eyes; especially as they relate to Yeshua!
Dan C
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Post by chrisg on Apr 12, 2016 11:33:12 GMT -8
so do we eat passover on Thursday evening, or Friday evening? I thought I had sorted it that passover was Friday evening and the next day was a weekly sabbath as well as a special sabbath; plus Sunday was also a sabbath?
I did come across a group who have already had Passover last month; something to do with barley in Israel.
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Post by alon on Apr 12, 2016 12:37:25 GMT -8
Yes, there are some groups who like to watch the barley to see when it is in the aviv stage of development and set the calendar by that. However until the Sanhedrin is seated, by far most of Judaism goes by the Hillel calendar.
You can eat the Pesach meal either Thur evening or during the day Fri. Many times when synagogues sponsor a Pesach seder families will eat on Erev Pesach and then help give the large seder next day. This can be important in messianic Judaism because so many are from divided homes or have no regular synagogue. So they keep the traditional close family and friends meal and they help those of us less fortunate also. Like me, I'll be traveling halfway across Washington State for this years Passover.
If nothing else, I have in years past even just found a demonstration seder somewhere in the state as close to Pesach as I could and attended that; then I kept Passover the best I could at home on the day. Far from perfect, but it was the best I could do at the time.
theloveofgod.proboards.com/thread/479/aviv-interpretation-moedim-right-wrong
This next one is a bit long, and is mostly another ex-member arguing for a method not set down in scripture. However it has some good information scattered amidst the - err- refuse. I'd clean up the thread, but since it was me arguing with him that might seem a bit heavy handed.
theloveofgod.proboards.com/thread/3465/gods-sacred-calendar
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Post by chrisg on Apr 12, 2016 12:49:56 GMT -8
Thank you for explaining that.
A more trivial question - how many candles are we supposed to light?
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Post by alon on Apr 12, 2016 13:58:51 GMT -8
Thank you for explaining that. A more trivial question - how many candles are we supposed to light? Two is the most common, but some use three. It is the eldest woman present who lights them just before sundown on Erev Pesach, or at the start of the meal on Pesach. This is similar to the lighting of candles on Shabbat, the only difference being in the prayer. The woman should cover her head with a scarf (often knitted or crocheted), then scoops her hands over the flames toward her face, covering her eyes three times as she recites:
Baruch Atah Adonoi Eloheinu Melech HaOlam asher kideshanu bemitzvotav vetzivanu lehadlik ner shel yom tov.
Blessed are You, L‑rd our G‑d, King of the universe, who has sanctified us with His commandments, and commanded us to kindle the Yom Tov light.
If eating the meal during the day, this should be done in the home at least within 18 minutes of darkness on Erev Pesach.
You can find a lot of websites on how to conduct a Passover Seder, and they will not all agree. This is because different sects do things a bit differently. And frankly, you can find a lot of different things in Messianic Judaism. I'd stay with the Jewish seders if going online. And there is no right way really, as long as the basics are there. You don't have to be overly fancy either, although this IS an important feast. However plain plates and cups work just fine. I have friends who've bought nice candlesticks, spice holders, chala plates etc. for Shabbat, and it does add to the experience whether lighting the Shabbat candles or doing havdalah. So having some nice things set aside for holy use is good and adds to the experience. But they are not absolutely necessary, especially just starting out.
Dan C
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Post by chrisg on Apr 12, 2016 14:29:35 GMT -8
I have a lovely tablecloth in blue and white that I bought in Italy some years ago, but that I have never used. I plan to use it for Passover and also some nice wine glasses that were bought as a gift that I also have never used. I think I might use them for Sabbath thereafter.
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