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Post by alon on Apr 22, 2015 6:59:54 GMT -8
The following general guidelines are excerpted from a teaching at Beit Aveinu. It is important we remember our common enemy during this time of Israeli remembrance of those fallen: 27 Nissan Yom HaShoa (Holocaust Remembrance Day), 3 Iyyar Yom HaZikaron (Israli Memorial Day) & 4 Iyyar HaAtzmaut (Israeli Independence Day).
Freedom of religion is at a democratic level in Israel now. It’s written in their Mandate… "all persons shall enjoy full liberty of conscience and the free exercise of their forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals."
This is NOT so among the areas ruled by the Palestinians. In fact it’s not so in other Muslim nations as well. In other nations, the more Muslims in any given population the more dangerous and oppressive they become. This is how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily.
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels.
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, (genocide), as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim.
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word. Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims. Israel is aware of these facts.
The more free a society, the earlier these things will manifest themselves. Appeasement never works, and this has never been more apparent than with Islam. It is an evil religion into which is built hatred, killing and death. In fact, the only way to guarantee yourself a place in Paradise is to die in jihad. Jihad is found all through the Qur'an, as exemplified here:
Sura 2:216 Fighting (war) has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.
The Qur'an and other Islamic religious documents guarantee bloodshed and murder always. It is an integral part of their religion. I recommend the booklet "Islam & Jihad" by John Ankerberg and Emir Caner for those interested in understanding just how pervasive this teaching is in Islam.
Dan C
Moderator note: After thinking about this, it does push a bit hard on the rules. Also we don't want this to become a "bash Islam" thread or site. Islam is, however, a real threat both in Israel and around the world. So I've notified senior admin to review this. Dan
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Post by garrett on Apr 22, 2015 12:37:54 GMT -8
Yes, I believe it's good to follow along the stated guidelines of the site.
I also take into consideration that the single largest/greatest threat to Jews, the Jews in Israel and Christians around the world is Islam. It is not a debate.
To avoid bashing, it's good to stick to the facts, recognize what is happening and also pray for Muslims.
This religion is growing like a fire started with gasoline.
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Post by Miykhael on Apr 23, 2015 8:17:56 GMT -8
B"H
The question is, shouldn't one be preoccupied in HaShem's word and doing good mitzvah. Why even talk about other false religions? I'm sorry I refuse to even learn about them. Time is too short for that stuff.
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Post by alon on Apr 23, 2015 9:39:34 GMT -8
... The question is, shouldn't one be preoccupied in HaShem's word and doing good mitzvah. Why even talk about other false religions? I'm sorry I refuse to even learn about them. Time is too short for that stuff.
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Post by alon on Apr 23, 2015 11:35:45 GMT -8
Most do not know it, but the Quran is not the only important religious document in Islam. The Sunna is taught from as much as the Quran. It is a collection of Hadiths, or stories about Muhammad. These stories even more than the Quran promote violence, bloodshed and the casual taking of the lives of "infidels". One story tells of a Muslim who wished to sit, but could not because a Jew was fetered nearby. So the Jew was killed, the man sat and then ate and casually discussed the rewards of Islam. It is especially harsh on those who convert to Islam, then wish to revert to their old religion. Jews and Christians are singled out for extreme hatred and revenge, and are lilled in extremely brutal ways. For Muslims themselves who convert to a different religion, their own families are honor bound to kill them.
In Muslim tradition, the world is of two houses:
* Dar al-Islam, the House of Islam where Islam is in total control
* Dar al-Harb, the House of War, the world still inhabited, or worse ruled by infidels
Sura 9:81 THOSE [hypocrites] who were left behind rejoiced in their staying away [from war] 112 after [the departure of] God s Apostle, for they hated the thought of striving with their possessions and their lives in God's cause; and they had [even] said [to the others], "Do not go forth to war in this heat!" Say: "The fire of hell is hotter by far!" Had they but grasped this truth!
So those choosing not to make war on the Dar al-Harb are threatened with hell fire.
Sura 66:9 O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
That would be the same hell as those they are commanded to make war against. This injunction to make absolute war as opposed to just jihad is an important distinction. A Muslim may tell you that jihad may be either peaceful, jihad of the soul, or violent, jihad of the sword. This is true, and when weak they do engage in peaceful jihad. But in strength Muslims are told to make outright war on those who believe or act differently to them. This is why we see Muslims making war on each other as much as on Israel and the West.
And jihad is mandatory on every Muslim when called upon by a Muslim leader:
Sunah/ Saheeh Al Bukhari, Volume 4 book 52, 4.42: Narrated Ibn `Abbas: Allah's Apostle said, "There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.
So there is no such thing as a "peaceful Muslim". If they are Muslim, they are bound by their faith to participate in jihad, including jihad of the sword. Or their role may be more "peaceful" and simply to support jihad by their silence when in possession of knowledge, by supplying or being a courier, or in whatever capacity they are called upon for.
The world right now is at war with Islam, because Islam has been called to make war on us. And their primary targets for violent action are Jews and Christians. Anyone even moderately aware of world events must know this. As Messianics, do we think we, being in the middle of the spectrum here are not targets? That when given the chance we won't be beheaded or crucified?
Sura 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
While these methods of punishment are cruel in the extreme, radical Islam routinely in their hatred takes even more extreme measures of torture as punishment. Beheadings filmed and put on the internet not only torture the victim, but his family and friends as well. And Muslim beheadings are not the quick, comparatively humane methods used in the west. The victim is bound, held down and his head slowly cut off in a manner that leaves him alive for as long as possible.
Muhammad himself was given to extremes of punishment. Bukhari vol. 4, no. 3018 tells of some Arab tribesmen who fell sick, so Muhammad told them to follow a shepherd, telling them to partake of an old folk remedy. They were to drink the milk and urine of a camel. They reportedly felt better, but then they killed the shepherd and drove off the camels for themselves. Muhammad ordered them hunted and brought to him. He decreed their hands and feet were to be cut off. Then, in a display of excess of even the cruelty of Islamic law, he ordered heated nails to brand their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (rocky land in Al-Madina). When they asked for water, none was given them until they died of dehydration. The "prophet" was reprimanded by Allah. However the kind of extreme hatred produced by this demonic religion makes extreme cruelty commonplace. We either take a stand now or we, and certainly our children will face this kind of cruelty or conversion to a religion that guarantees no peace in this life and damnation in the next.
Dan C
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Post by alon on Apr 23, 2015 15:29:23 GMT -8
... In Muslim tradition, the world is of two houses:
* Dar al-Islam, the House of Islam where Islam is in total control
* Dar al-Harb, the House of War, the world still inhabited, or worse ruled by infidels ....
... The "prophet" was reprimanded by Allah.
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Post by Miykhael on Apr 24, 2015 21:33:09 GMT -8
B”H
I’m sorry, We are offended of this thread, for we Read in Exodus 23:13 “Pay attention to everything I have said to you; do not invoke the names of other gods or even let them be heard crossing your lips. and also in 2 Timothy 2:15 exhorts us to, “Earnestly study to present yourself approved to God, a workman unashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth
When a person is train to know what counterfeit money look or feels like they are trained only with the real money, so when they see or feel a fake they would know right away.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 25, 2015 6:51:54 GMT -8
My personal approach is more in line with Miykhael's.
If we are in the last days, then we know how this will turn out. Believers will be persecuted and killed to the point where there will hardly be any left. Israel will have no friends, and so if we are who se say we are, neither will we. If we are in the end days, we are here to witness to a world that hate's G-d, so yes it will hate us. We have to be ready to look like we have lost knowing we will still win.
We can't depend on the USA or what were once its ideals for anything. All the systems this country has set up to protect our freedom will fail. This country is G-dless and freedom is from G-d. We have to let go of what the constitution says, our civil rights, what is fair, and what we "deserve". Who cares what they say anyway when we have  and Yeshua who lived it for the example? This country will continue to pervert the concept of freedom till it is nothing but lawlessness. So when life isn't so easy, resources are too few, and a crisis hits, self-preservation will be the rule.
I am focusing on preparing myself and my children to maintain faith and look only to G-d for protection and guidance. I pray for their hearts more than their precious bodies. It's a hard prayer to pray, but I know that if they truly know the worth they have from G-d, than no one can take it away in any circumstance. Praise Yeshua for that example.
Listen to Islam scream "death, death", and show off their "strength". What a pathetic display. It's really weak when you think about it. I know I am going to die. I guess they aren't aware that they really don't have to try so hard. 
This war is already won. The battle is to keep our hope in G-d. G-d has already said, "life" and Yeshua confirms it. On it's deepest level, it is about us as individuals and how much we trust G-d and believe in the life He gives. We have to fight to have compassion for the compassionless, and hope when the world says there is none.
I don't feel I need to understand Islam because it is simply evil trying to defeat the will of G-d. I think many Muslims are more afraid of Islam than we are. It is evil trying to convince people they have no worth and no choice. We know we do. I don't think we can understand Islam. It's just hate and fear, but we can pray for people knowing G-d made them for so much more and hope they somehow see it. If we are in the end days, we may have to be the ones who show them. Regardless, we know someone at some point will have to be.
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Post by alon on Apr 25, 2015 10:29:53 GMT -8
... I’m sorry, We are offended of this thread, for we Read in Exodus 23:13 “Pay attention to everything I have said to you; do not invoke the names of other gods or even let them be heard crossing your lips. and also in 2 Timothy 2:15 exhorts us to, “Earnestly study to present yourself approved to God, a workman unashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth When a person is train to know what counterfeit money look or feels like they are trained only with the real money, so when they see or feel a fake they would know right away. My personal approach is more in line with Miykhael's.
If we are in the last days, then we know how this will turn out. Believers will be persecuted and killed to the point where there will hardly be any left. Israel will have no friends, and so if we are who se say we are, neither will we. If we are in the end days, we are here to witness to a world that hate's G-d, so yes it will hate us. We have to be ready to look like we have lost knowing we will still win.
We can't depend on the USA or what were once its ideals for anything. All the systems this country has set up to protect our freedom will fail. This country is G-dless and freedom is from G-d. We have to let go of what the constitution says, our civil rights, what is fair, and what we "deserve". Who cares what they say anyway when we have and Yeshua who lived it for the example? This country will continue to pervert the concept of freedom till it is nothing but lawlessness. So when life isn't so easy, resources are too few, and a crisis hits, self-preservation will be the rule.
I am focusing on preparing myself and my children to maintain faith and look only to G-d for protection and guidance. I pray for their hearts more than their precious bodies. It's a hard prayer to pray, but I know that if they truly know the worth they have from G-d, than no one can take it away in any circumstance. Praise Yeshua for that example.
Listen to Islam scream "death, death", and show off their "strength". What a pathetic display. It's really weak when you think about it. I know I am going to die. I guess they aren't aware that they really don't have to try so hard.
This war is already won. The battle is to keep our hope in G-d. G-d has already said, "life" and Yeshua confirms it. On it's deepest level, it is about us as individuals and how much we trust G-d and believe in the life He gives. We have to fight to have compassion for the compassionless, and hope when the world says there is none.
I don't feel I need to understand Islam because it is simply evil trying to defeat the will of G-d. I think many Muslims are more afraid of Islam than we are. It is evil trying to convince people they have no worth and no choice. We know we do. I don't think we can understand Islam. It's just hate and fear, but we can pray for people knowing G-d made them for so much more and hope they somehow see it. If we are in the end days, we may have to be the ones who show them. Regardless, we know someone at some point will have to be.
I don't say the things you suggest are not important. I am saying those are not all we are called on to do.Ecclesiastes 3:8 ESV A time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.
Proverbs 21:15 ESV When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.
Psalm 144:1 ESV Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle;
Philippians 3:2 ESV Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh.
Isaiah 48:22 ESV “There is no peace,” says the Lord, “for the wicked.”
Ephesians 6:10–12 ESV Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
Revelation 21:8 ESV But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Proverbs 25:26 ESV Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.Miykhael, it looks like you forgot a few scriptures. We are called to do more than just to insure our own salvation. We are not supposed to just allow our country to slide into moral decay, then to evil. How can you stand up to the evil being preached if you don't understand it? And where does it say we are to ignore evil elsewhere in the world? Pastor Saed still is being tortured in prison simply for his faith, yet our own government is negotiating a deal to give his captors everything they want AND a 50 billion sign on bonus. This is being given to the most evil and reckless government ever on this earth, and you propose we should stick our heads in the sand? We don't simply allow evil to win, we help it!? And what makes you think this attitude will guarantee your place in heaven? Go back up and read Revelation 21:8, and good luck.
We are called to be and do more. We are to be a light to the world! How can we be that if we are silent in the face of the darkness?
Someone recently quoted this to me: Ephesians 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 25, 2015 11:04:44 GMT -8
I am not sure we are in the last days, but I am preparing myself and my children for them the best I can nonetheless.
I am not good with the quote feature, but regarding all of the verses you referenced Alon, I feel I am doing this as well simply by studying the word of G-d and praying for His strength and Spirit. I am not talking about being silent either, but I believe what I need to say is found in G-d's Spirit and His word. I also think focusing on His goodness and spreading His word is the best way to combat evil and be a light. I don't know how else I can respond to hate because it is irrational. Focusing on the fear and evil they commit doesn't benefit me.
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Post by Miykhael on Apr 25, 2015 11:55:50 GMT -8
B”H
Islam is not the Truth Dan so it doesn’t hurt me. HaShem never said Learn the way of the Heathens. What you are saying is not Scriptural and Yeshua never taught this.
And to expose Darkness With Light and that is with HaShem Word. We don’t need not waste time in learning other religion that what the Pagans Do.
And if this continues I might have to leave or/ and talk with Rabbi Reuel on this issue after Shabbos.
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Post by alon on Apr 25, 2015 12:11:46 GMT -8
B”H Islam is not the Truth Dan so it doesn’t hurt me. HaShem never said Learn the way of the Heathens. What you are saying is not Scriptural and Yeshua never taught this. And to expose Darkness With Light and that is with HaShem Word. We don’t need not waste time in learning other religion that what the Pagans Do. And if this continues I might have to leave or/ and talk with Rabbi Reuel on this issue after Shabbos.  . Threatening to leave also shameful. I'd hate to loose you, but I do not respond well to threats. So stay or go as you wish; you are more than welcome here but don't think threats will deter me from speaking the truth. It is  though that when one wants to confront evil he must first overcome those who claim to be good.
R Reuel is aware of this thread, because I brought it to his attention. He is more than free to shut it down whenever he thinks there is a problem.
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Post by alon on Apr 25, 2015 12:15:33 GMT -8
... regarding all of the verses you referenced Alon, I feel I am doing this as well simply by studying the word of G-d and praying for His strength and Spirit. I am not talking about being silent either, but I believe what I need to say is found in G-d's Spirit and His word. I also think focusing on His goodness and spreading His word is the best way to combat evil and be a light. I don't know how else I can respond to hate because it is irrational. Focusing on the fear and evil they commit doesn't benefit me.
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Post by Miykhael on Apr 25, 2015 12:30:40 GMT -8
B”H those scriptures do not tell person to learn other religions and you are taking them out of contexts. And I wasn’t try to put it across it to be a threat. We use the to Expose darkness ... I rest my case Nice to know you all Maybe HaShem be with you all.. |
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Post by alon on Apr 25, 2015 13:09:31 GMT -8
B”H those scriptures do not tell person to learn other religions and you are taking them out of contexts. And I wasn’t try to put it across it to be a threat. We use the to Expose darkness ... I rest my case Nice to know you all Maybe HaShem be with you all..
And you did mean those statements as threats. You threatened to take this to a higher authority. For the record, I support that. Anyone who has a problem with me can and SHOULD take it up with R Reuel. I am not a law unto myself here, and I make myself accountable whenever I come here. You also threatened to leave. Why people do that, I don't know. But it hasn't worked with me since about third grade. As I said, I hate to see you go; but if you are waiting for me to beg you to stay I suggest you go back to your studies. That will be much more fruitful for you. You are welcome to stay, with no repercussions; or you may go, as you like.
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. Threatening to leave also shameful. I'd hate to loose you, but I do not respond well to threats. So stay or go as you wish; you are more than welcome here but don't think threats will deter me from speaking the truth. It is 
though that when one wants to confront evil he must first overcome those who claim to be good.
