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Post by chelsey on Jan 11, 2015 10:23:32 GMT -8
John 15:25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: 'They hated me without reason.' This is not written in any of the  or any of the Jewish texts at all. So where did they come up with something much less write it down without it being confirmed in ? |
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Post by alon on Jan 11, 2015 13:17:30 GMT -8
John 15:23-25 Whoever hates me hates my Father also. If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin, but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father. But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: 'They hated me without a cause.'
Talmud - Mas. Yoma 9b Why was the first Sanctuary destroyed? Because of three [evil] things which prevailed there: idolatry, immorality, bloodshed. … But why was the second Sanctuary destroyed, seeing that in its time they were occupying themselves with , [observance of] precepts, and the practice of charity? Because therein prevailed hatred without cause. That teaches you that groundless hatred is considered as of even gravity with the three sins of idolatry, immorality, and bloodshed together.
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Post by chelsey on Jan 11, 2015 17:15:37 GMT -8
Sorry but I own the soncino plus artscroll copies of the Bavli and what you have written is not found in either. This is not in the actual Jwish text which really is interesting to find out where you did get your quote from?
You can't simply try to change things to make a point and it looks bad when people are not will to actually look into things before posting a reply.
It is speaking of Lashon Haro and if one has to cut out the context of the bavli to make their point I find it interesting the lack of knowledge on such issues.
Moderator note: Your posts have been consolidated. Please do not scatter single sentence replies over the forum. Dan
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Post by alon on Jan 12, 2015 0:44:11 GMT -8
Sorry but I own the soncino plus artscroll copies of the Bavli and what you have written is not found in either. This is not in the actual Jwish text which really is interesting to find out where you did get your quote from? You can't simply try to change things to make a point and it looks bad when people are not will to actually look into things before posting a reply. It is speaking of Lashon Haro and if one has to cut out the context of the bavli to make their point I find it interesting the lack of knowledge on such issues.
And you are not being entirely honest here. First off, you do have that passage in your texts or you a.) wouldn't recognize it, and b.) wouldn't know I had cut part of it. I did so by the way just to get the relevant parts and still make it readable. But I should have noted the omission. I apologize, I should have inserted a "..." where text was cut. However I'd suggest the changes I made did not alter the meaning, they simply focused on the salient points.
Anyone can read the entire reference simply by typing in "Talmud - Mas. Yoma 9b" in a search engine.
And by the way, lashon hara is attacking the messenger, which is also a fallacy of logic. If the only way you can "win" your point is to attack me, I think I have made my point already!
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Post by jimmie on Jan 12, 2015 6:06:31 GMT -8
I don't even know what the soncino, artscroll or the Bavli is. However I do have a copy of the Psalms.
Psalm 69: 4 - Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced to restore what I did not steal.
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Post by Miykhael on Jan 22, 2015 9:24:32 GMT -8
B”H John 15:25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: 'They hated me without reason.' This is not written in any of the or any of the Jewish texts at all. So where did they come up with something much less write it down without it being confirmed in ? And yes it is found in the TaNaKh if your you’re not s so blind to read it. (תְהִלִּים) Tehillim Psalms 35:19 Don’t let those who are wrongfully my enemies gloat over me; and those who hate me unprovoked— don’t let them smirk at me. (תְהִלִּים) Tehillim Psalms 69:5(4) Those who hate me for no reason outnumber the hairs on my head. My persecutors are powerful, my enemies accuse me falsely. Am I expected to return things I didn’t steal? Miykhael |
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Post by Miykhael on Jan 22, 2015 9:29:43 GMT -8
I don't even know what the soncino, artscroll or the Bavli is. However I do have a copy of the Psalms. B”H It’s what you call the Talmud! (Bavli) Babylonian |
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or any of the Jewish texts at all. So where did they come up with something much less write it down without it being confirmed in 
