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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 28, 2018 6:32:41 GMT -8
It doesn't help things that some Israelis are seeking unholy ways and laws in His land. I don't know how much they are actually influencing laws and lifestyles, but things simply aren't as clear cut as we often like to think from a -pursuant perspective. We just know G-d won't accept that. We know it's G-d's will for people to return to the land, but a lot of prayers for mercy and some miraculous intervention that G-d change hearts and open eyes accompany mine as well - especially if they are there seeking G-d because then there is faith. that's my ground for a lot of prayers for them. It seems He could do something with that and reveal truth. Meanwhile, we know prophecy. It's just conflicting. We don't know how He'll sort through it, but we know His will. I'm not arguing but it's just hard to watch and know what we know. It's conflicting.
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Post by Questor on Sept 30, 2018 15:37:50 GMT -8
[quote author=" Elizabeth " source="/post/23539/thread" timestamp="1538145161" We know it's G-d's will for people to return to the land, but a lot of prayers for mercy and some miraculous intervention that G-d change hearts and open eyes accompany mine as well - especially if they are there seeking G-d because then there is faith. that's my ground for a lot of prayers for them. It seems He could do something with that and reveal truth. Meanwhile, we know prophecy. It's just conflicting. We don't know how He'll sort through it, but we know His will. I'm not arguing but it's just hard to watch and know what we know. It's conflicting.[/quote] Prophecy to me seems all too real. It is comforting as well as ominous because it all leads to Yeshua, but I have only just found I can return, but the Rabbi's will not let me come as Mashiachim, even if I could afford it, which I can't, and even if I wanted to, which I don't.
I know Abba can find a way for me, but I don't see the point. I know no one there but a ministry I work with, and even in expensive SoCal, I cannot trade my acreage, my greenhouse, and my view of the upper mountains I live within for anything but poverty in Isreal, and a near-total non-acceptance. Worse, is finding out only this week I have the Right of Return, because I can prove my heredity, but no one want us there, not as Mashiachim.
I am tangled up in my identity already from such late knowledge of my family lines. Jews have been running an awfully long time from the challenges of not being valued by the world we are supposed to hand a torch of understanding to. And age, and sickness, and brokenness...it gets in the way of any normal life here...what would it be in Israel?
I do not understand enough to return to a land I have never been attracted to, but I know that Abba can change both my understanding and my heart. The warmth that Israel implies is illusory to me...but I know he can make those flames become real. I do not, however, see that Jews will return en masse to Israel in prophecy...not now, not before Yeshua. All of us that have been scattered into the nations will only fit in the fullness of the land grant to Israel, and a lot more water from under the throne.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 1, 2018 6:32:41 GMT -8
If G-d calls you, wherever He calls you, He'll make the way. In the meantime, enjoy your home because that's where G-d has you now and it sounds beautiful.
Regardless of where you go though, we are told we will be hated and persecuted cause the world hates Him. So I would try not to let that get to me regardless of where He moves you because that will likely always be an obstacle on some level anywhere He's moving until Yeshua comes and makes the way.
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Post by Questor on Oct 1, 2018 13:40:28 GMT -8
If G-d calls you, wherever He calls you, He'll make the way. In the meantime, enjoy your home because that's where G-d has you now and it sounds beautiful. Regardless of where you go though, we are told we will be hated and persecuted cause the world hates Him. So I would try not to let that get to me regardless of where He moves you because that will likely always be an obstacle on some level anywhere He's moving until Yeshua comes and makes the way. It is very beautiful where I live...for the edge of the desert. In back of my valley, which lies about halfway up the San Jacinto Mountains, it drops very suddenly to Palm Springs...and is just like the Negev. it's very reminiscent of Israel, as is our rainfall pattern. I thank G-d for it often, sometimes many times a day, because it is so open, so quiet, and ready to abound with beautiful plants with only water, fertilizer, and protection from all the critters and bugs that come in search for what is grown in a desert.
As for hate and persecution...well California is not immune to that now. Our politicians hate very well, and persecute as they choose. As for persecutions due to Yeshua, it would be nice that there was a real reason, not just an ever-present miasma of hate while pretending to be good or to respect Christians, or Jews.
When I came online in 2006, I threw away the idea of escaping such things as being disliked because of Yeshua and perhaps even persecuted unto death, but G-d does protect us from evil on the ground wherever we are...because Yeshua asked him to.John 17:14-21 (CJB) 14 “I have given them your word, and the world hated them, because they do not belong to the world — just as I myself do not belong to the world. 15 I don’t ask you to take them out of the world, but to protect them from the Evil One. 16 They do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. 17 Set them apart for holiness by means of the truth — your word is truth. 18 Just as you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 On their behalf I am setting myself apart for holiness, so that they too may be set apart for holiness by means of the truth. 20 “I pray not only for these, but also for those who will trust in me because of their word, 21 that they may all be one. Just as you, Father, are united with me and I with you, I pray that they may be united with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. Like all things, G-d asks that we obey him in all he asks, and he will take care of us in all ways. The evidences of his desire to protect us is plain in Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, yet they were still slaves to the various kings of Babylon, and probably had suffered being made into eunuchs...apparently because G-d needed them near the kings, and as eunuchs was the only way, they had to go that way. They risked painful, even horrifying means of death in their obedience, but they obeyed G-d in spite of the threat of death...and they all lived through the persecutions that came their way.
Others did not live through their persecutions, but their souls were safe....the Apostles all died rather abruptly, except for John...and many others since. G-d keeps us safe, and unharmed, so long as we obey him, and it does not interfere with what he needs to be done. G-d uses such persecution...and I presume that is why we are to rejoice in it, although it sounds impossible, and we will get rewards for suffering in our obedience when we are in the Kingdom.
In Yeshua, our souls are safe, no matter what happens to our bodies, no matter how difficult that is to face...if we are obedient to him. It is why I fear evil more than suffering. I have found, and others have found that when you are praying or singing praise, it blocks pain, but evil can frighten you out of such praise, and out of a strange kind of protection from pain. Suffering will come to us all in some measure because there is already persecution, and that persecution will spread
I have to presume that is why Yeshua prayed for us to be kept from evil, so we would not be afraid, and forget to use the tools he has given us to transcend suffering. I think if more people understood what was said by Yeshua, we would fear what is gradually approaching a lot less.
I found out about circumventing pain when having to receive spinal injections without anesthesia. I was shocked that they were not bothering to put me under so I did not have to suffer. I asked time to pray, and for some reason (the Ruach of course) began to sing under my breath as we went to get things done...and it didn't hurt me. I later found that medicine has actually proved this through PET-Scans when people were praying during tests for pain or their ability to experience pain and somehow did not produce the right signals to have any pain noticed by the PET-Scans...or their bodies.
Matthew 5:11-12 (CJB) 11 “How blessed you are when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kinds of vicious lies about you because you follow me! 12 Rejoice, be glad, because your reward in heaven is great — they persecuted the prophets before you in the same way.
Apparently, if you are rejoicing, literally rejoicing, it gets in the way of pain...and it is pain we tend to fear...pain, loss, the transition of death, because we are programmed to fear it and try to escape it...but it is evil that is the only thing to fear, and Yeshua protected us against it....and it is why we pray against it in the recitation of the 'Lord's Prayer'.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 1, 2018 14:32:41 GMT -8
I'm sure we won't endure more than we can handle, but I don't know how much I can really handle. That's the hard part and where faith becomes a problem for me. I'm at my wits end telling satan to leave me alone, and feels like I'm getting no where. yet when I look at my life I know I've been strengthened subtly in some ways, but significantly weakened in others, specifically heart issues.
I wish G-d would be louder somehow, but I'm beginning to think that's just not His style. I'm spent trying to drown stuff out so have no energy for the things that bring joy. That's my trial these days, and it's weakened my faith. Where are you has taken on a new context. I think when He doesn't act to protect or intervene the way we feel we need Him to, or we don't see the purpose in what we're enduring faith gets more strained. I just don't see purpose in what I'm going through, and I'm spending too much time dealing with evil but no fellowship with believers. So if He's quiet, it's like no where to turn, and it's when I turn to Him that I'm attacked the most. I try just being quiet and waiting, but this issue never gets dealt with.
Regardless, in all trials I'm sure focusing on G-d helps. I just think there's times of supernatural strengthening and we have to depend on G-d to know our limits and act. The hard part is keeping it together while waiting for Him to do that, and watching as nothing changes but keeping faith.
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Post by alon on Oct 1, 2018 16:17:51 GMT -8
Questor said: It is very beautiful where I live...for the edge of the desert. In back of my valley, which lies about halfway up the San Jacinto Mountains, it drops very suddenly to Palm Springs...and is just like the Negev. it's very reminiscent of Israel, as is our rainfall pattern. I thank G-d for it often, sometimes many times a day, because it is so open, so quiet, and ready to abound with beautiful plants with only water, fertilizer, and protection from all the critters and bugs that come in search for what is grown in a desert.
For some reason I thought you lived more over towards Tehachapi. But the area where you live is very beautiful, nonetheless. I was stationed at MCB 29 Palms back in 71. I bought an old Dodge Dart and used to go all over So Cal, Nevada, and Arizona. I was raised in Texas and New Mexico, so I love the desert. Me and a rich Jewish kid I used to hang out with would go into Palm Springs. People there didn't like Jarheads much. I thought it was because they were ultra liberal, but he told me it was because they were money, and we were trouble. As a observant believer, my guess is that to them you are not just trouble, but a conscience. And that is the last thing the "beautiful people" want. Then there is Sacramento- they ARE ultra liberal and just plain hate and revile anyone who disagrees with them- especially if you are, again, a conscience of sorts. Dan C
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Post by alon on Oct 1, 2018 16:22:00 GMT -8
I'm sure we won't endure more than we can handle, but I don't know how much I can really handle. That's the hard part and where faith becomes a problem for me. I'm at my wits end telling satan to leave me alone, and feels like I'm getting no where. yet when I look at my life I know I've been strengthened subtly in some ways, but significantly weakened in others, specifically heart issues. I wish G-d would be louder somehow, but I'm beginning to think that's just not His style. I'm spent trying to drown stuff out so have no energy for the things that bring joy. That's my trial these days, and it's weakened my faith. Where are you has taken on a new context. I think when He doesn't act to protect or intervene the way we feel we need Him to, or we don't see the purpose in what we're enduring faith gets more strained. I just don't see purpose in what I'm going through, and I'm spending too much time dealing with evil but no fellowship with believers. So if He's quiet, it's like no where to turn, and it's when I turn to Him that I'm attacked the most. I try just being quiet and waiting, but this issue never gets dealt with. Regardless, in all trials I'm sure focusing on G-d helps. I just think there's times of supernatural strengthening and we have to depend on G-d to know our limits and act. The hard part is keeping it together while waiting for Him to do that, and watching as nothing changes but keeping faith. Yeah, if we start talking too much with God, ha'satan gets busy trying to distract us. And he is good at it! I try and ask God to silence the old bugger, but sometimes it takes a bit. Probably because he knows if he keeps at it, I'll crack! Dan (usually in need of a lot of grace) C
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