Va'yikra 23:29

[alon]

152. It is a negative commandment to eat and drink nothing on Yom Kippur

Vayikra 23:29 (OJB) For whatsoever nefesh it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

Leviticus 23:29 (CJB) Anyone who does not deny himself on that day is to be cut off from his people;

If anyone eats on Yom Kippur even [an amount equal to the bulk of a big date ...] ... he deserves kareth [Divine severance of existence]; and if it was unwitting, he has the obligation of a hattah (sin-offering); ... If a person drinks liquids fit for human consumption, enough to fill his cheeks, ... . Smaller quantities than those given here are forbidden by the law of the , but they do not bring a penalty of kareth. However, the sinner should be flogged ... . By the law of the sages these too are forbidden on Yom Kippur: washing, applying oil to the skin, wearing of leather footgear, and conjugal intimacy. ...

[alon]

Sept 27, 2014 23:28:42 GMT -8 alon said:

152. It is a negative commandment to eat and drink nothing on Yom Kippur

Vayikra 23:29 (OJB) For whatsoever nefesh it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

Leviticus 23:29 (CJB) Anyone who does not deny himself on that day is to be cut off from his people;

If anyone eats on Yom Kippur even [an amount equal to the bulk of a big date ...] ... he deserves kareth [Divine severance of existence];

This I can see, although I still believe there is grace for both ignorance and a repentant heart. So we aren't all going to Hell just because up to now we haven't kept the commandment/mitzvah. However true repentance brings action, so ...

Dan C

[alon]

Sept 27, 2014 23:28:42 GMT -8 alon said:

152. It is a negative commandment to eat and drink nothing on Yom Kippur

Vayikra 23:29 (OJB) For whatsoever nefesh it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

Leviticus 23:29 (CJB) Anyone who does not deny himself on that day is to be cut off from his people;

... If a person drinks liquids fit for human consumption, enough to fill his cheeks, ... . Smaller quantities than those given here are forbidden by the law of the , but they do not bring a penalty of kareth. ...

OK, here there is some dissention. Rav S. believes the term "to afflict oneself" just means to fast from food. Drinking water is halachically OK for us. Drinking juices with food value would not be acceptable, as I understand this scripture. I do not know how the parent Synagogue of this forum views this, and so will not speak for them. But again, there is always redemption for a repentant heart if we find out we are doing it wrong.

There is always the higher mitzvah to preserve human life and health, so there are exceptions. I've heard, but do not know if true, that nursing mothers are also exempt, and this makes sense. Sometimes this can be tough trying to be Observant without access to someone who knows, but we do the best we can.

I will have to drink because of my meds, so even if it were true I'd be an exemption case as far as I know.

Dan C

[alon]

Sept 27, 2014 23:28:42 GMT -8 alon said:

152. It is a negative commandment to eat and drink nothing on Yom Kippur

Vayikra 23:29 (OJB) For whatsoever nefesh it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

Leviticus 23:29 (CJB) Anyone who does not deny himself on that day is to be cut off from his people;

... . By the law of the sages these too are forbidden on Yom Kippur: washing, applying oil to the skin, wearing of leather footgear, and conjugal intimacy. ...

Now these are pure Rabbinical Judaism and amounts to the desire to control every aspect of a person's life. It places the kinds of burdens on people that Yeshua spoke against so often. If you really want to "afflict" yourself to this extent, maybe you should put on a burlap shirt and tie it with a rope. Just my opinion here, but it does seem this goes a bit far. Then again, I'm no sage, so ...

Dan C