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Post by cybellehawke on Sept 18, 2014 12:23:18 GMT -8
my name is Cybelle. nice to meet you
I am from the Netherlands but I currently live in Rio, Brazil
Where I live we greet each other with this peace-of-the-Lord-hello and it felt kind of appropriate to come in with this as it sounds so much better than a simple hello.
I am here to learn and given my poor English, I really do not see myself posting much. But who knows...
I study theology vs. spiritual healing and I do this just for fun, that is to say, I have no career planning or feel a special calling or so, I am just curious to search for answers and I really believe that the Bible can provide, well at least, the most important ones.
Well enough about me. Look forward to reading and sharing.
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Post by alon on Sept 18, 2014 12:35:36 GMT -8
my name is Cybelle. nice to meet you I am from the Netherlands but I currently live in Rio, Brazil Where I live we greet each other with this peace-of-the-Lord-hello and it felt kind of appropriate to come in with this as it sounds so much better than a simple hello. I am here to learn and given my poor English, I really do not see myself posting much. But who knows... I study theology vs. spiritual healing and I do this just for fun, that is to say, I have no career planning or feel a special calling or so, I am just curious to search for answers and I really believe that the Bible can provide, well at least, the most important ones. Well enough about me. Look forward to reading and sharing.
I tried to learn Hebrew, but the only thing I can remember how to say is "Ani rotse le'echol mashehu, b'vacasha." Which means "I'd like something to eat, please." Ah, well, at least I got the important stuff down ... 
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Post by cybellehawke on Sept 18, 2014 13:04:47 GMT -8
thank you for your funny reply. It really made me laugh.
Well, to tell you the truth, it is not only my poor English, as it appears..... it is also my poor Portuguese, as I manage to make a mistake in the few words I typed down.... it is of course a paz do Senhor. Sorry about that.
Hebrew is on my list but I do not know if I will ever get to it. But there is one thing that bothers me about not understanding Hebrew. As much as I appreciate that the Bible has been translated in my language, I still feel that if we believe in the God of Israel, and Jesus the Messiah.... why is it that Hebrew is not mandatorily (am I still in English here) taught on schools, like Latin and Greek
Oh well.... thanks for your reply, you made me feel home already. It is 6 pm over here, and I have to catch the bus to go to school. Bye
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Post by Questor on Sept 18, 2014 22:57:35 GMT -8
my name is Cybelle. nice to meet you I am from the Netherlands but I currently live in Rio, Brazil Where I live we greet each other with this peace-of-the-Lord-hello and it felt kind of appropriate to come in with this as it sounds so much better than a simple hello. I am here to learn and given my poor English, I really do not see myself posting much. But who knows... I study theology vs. spiritual healing and I do this just for fun, that is to say, I have no career planning or feel a special calling or so, I am just curious to search for answers and I really believe that the Bible can provide, well at least, the most important ones. Well enough about me. Look forward to reading and sharing.
What are the words you use for peace-of-the-Lord-hello? Bom Dia is I think Portugese, but I don't know really, and certainly not more than two more words or so? And in which language? You do realize that we people over here in America mostly only know one language, right? That you know more is fine.
I am studying Hebrew, but I can barely say hello, although I can read the squiggley words well enough, and pronounce them, I don't really understand how to put the words together yet in a sentence, or know very many words.
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Post by Questor on Sept 19, 2014 0:15:49 GMT -8
thank you for your funny reply. It really made me laugh. Well, to tell you the truth, it is not only my poor English, as it appears..... it is also my poor Portuguese, as I manage to make a mistake in the few words I typed down.... it is of course a paz do Senhor. Sorry about that. Hebrew is on my list but I do not know if I will ever get to it. But there is one thing that bothers me about not understanding Hebrew. As much as I appreciate that the Bible has been translated in my language, I still feel that if we believe in the God of Israel, and Jesus the Messiah.... why is it that Hebrew is not mandatorily (am I still in English here) taught on schools, like Latin and Greek Oh well.... thanks for your reply, you made me feel home already. It is 6 pm over here, and I have to catch the bus to go to school. Bye
It's not mandatory to learn Hebrew even in a seminary because the Adversary runs the Christian Churches, and has since before the Apostle John died in about 95-96 AD. Even John's disciples got weird as they got older, and forgot what they had learned from him, because they left the Synagogues due to taxes and politics, and persecution. They were Greco Roman's mostly, and were easily confused by slick fast talkers. We are Greco Romans, and so it's hard to unwind what happened when, particularly with each generation of Churches burning whatever they disagreed with!
First, it was just people wanting to be in power and stay in power in Israel that helped Yehoshua set up His execution. He and Abba, and the Ruach haKodesh, of course micro-managed the whole thing, where to go, and what to say to get things simmering, then boiling, then done, and resurrected. Once Yehoshua was with the Father, and the Ruach haKodesh came into the Upper Room 10 days later, Peter opened his mouth VERY well, in the middle of the Temple and started irritating the status quo. Along comes haSatan, and rubbed a few priests and scribes' noses in the fact that they really didn't manage to get rid of Yehoshua at all, and they started persecuting the Notsrim/Nazerim, in Israel, and everywhere else that they could.
The Jews had friends in Rome, and they stomped on the Notsrim (Messianic Jews and Gentiles obedient to  as they could best keep it). Only forty years later, after the Jewish Rebellion and the fall of the Temple in Jerusalem, the Notsrim were being called Christians.
Then some of the Christians had friends in Rome, and they stomped on the Jews AND the Notsrim...and stomped, and stomped some more as time went on. Suddenly it was illegal to keep any Jewish kind of Holy day, or in the Jewish manner, and out went the teaching of Hebrew...at least officially. There were always some Jews somewhere who spoke it, and some who studied it. But really, it was a big-time miracle that the Jews held onto their culture, their G-d, their customs and traditions, and their language. It's never been done by anyone else kicked out of their country, which actually happened and still happens on a regular basis.
Only a few hidden Jews may have held onto Yehoshua, while the Jews kept their Identity and Language, we can't exactly track it, but it seems to be always a few people were trying to do what it actually said in the Bible rather than what their Priest or Pastor or Rabbi said...Believing Jews who still had a hidden , and had to know all about Yehohsua to argue with the priests, then when it was more easily printed, and translated everywhere, people just kept reading! But they mostly had to do it in Greek if they wanted to understand it. I think God designed Greek so that every little bit of a sentence in the languages could be torn to pieces to keep people still able to read something until we could get back to Hebrew, but the translations were mangled from the very first letters that went out, much less when they were torn up theologically to suit the politics of the day.
Fast forward to the 600's, 800's,1000's, and a few scholars in the Catholic Church were still interested in Hebrew, and arguing with Jews in Spain and Italy, and then a few more in the 1500's and 1600's in Switzerland, Germany, England, Holland, and dozens of countries I can't name. After the Reformation, you could actually not get persecuted for having books in the wrong language, and so it got a little easier for non-Jews to find a Jew willing to teach them. By the 1800's the really good scholars who went to Oxford and Cambridge, and a few German and French schools found out they could have fun taking the translations apart with the original language, and voila! A new fashion was born. People with no TV wrote lots of letters to each other with their discoveries of this idea and that word or sentence not meaning what they had thought it meant...a very, very slow kind of internet! Imagine waiting weeks or months for your eMail to be answered! And their mail was as fast as horses could take it there, or ships, and walking, if necessary.
But it never really caught on, because haSatan is not letting it be taught more than he is forced to, even now. The Adversary doesn't want us to know Hebrew, lest we read and understand the originals, and actually love Abba, and obey Him as much as we can, not being raised to know ...which was always a part of what the Apostles taught. I think all Seminaries do teach it, but since it's easy these days to use the Concordances and Dictionaries, and the Computer and Internet to translate stuff, it depends on the individual student. Greek and Latin is what all the English versions were translated from, so Hebrew is actually a hindrance if you want people to agree with their teacher about what the Bible says. But they do have Jewish Professors at the Seminaries of all religions these days, so some really great scholars are being made, and one day we will have their books, and it will be easier still.
So, it's simply just not done to REQUIRE Hebrew everything! Hebrew is a luxury, time wise, for anyone. Unless, of course, you really want to learn it, and you seek it out, in which case, you can generally find a tutor. I use HebrewPod101.com on the internet...they have good flash cards, and lots of words and sentences to play with, and it's not that expensive, because you can pay monthly, and do just a little, or more, or a lot. And some is free.
Which is why I asked G-d to help me learn, and am learning. You memorize the squiggles, and write them, and say them. Then you put the dots in, and have vowels to complicate things. Then you have grammar, the plurals, and masculine and feminine and both plurals...I know! Way too many ways to say things. Then you memorize each word, but each word changes shape every time you see it in a different tense or gender or plural, but it's fun anyway, and so I do it. Just not very well yet, and I am not really trying to learn the conversational, touristy stuff, but it's where you start...because they want you to come to Israel! Hmm...Sneaky! Never enough hours in the day to do all that you want...ever!
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Post by cybellehawke on Sept 20, 2014 9:45:58 GMT -8
Oh..... that is quite a deal of phrases you are showering me with. I only answer now because it took me some time to process it all.
Unfortunately I do not have the knowledge to comment on your statements, other than that the history of Jews and early christians is such a tragic one. Religion appears such a delicate and sensitive topic that people manage to disagree on about everything, except that there is but one G-d.
However, I would like to point out that if we want to understand the deeper layers of the Old Testament (which is I think a typical christian expression so perhaps I should say Tanakh)a simple translation of "what is says" does not cover the intended meaning and sometimes even puts readers on the wrong foot.
I have enough knowledge of the European languages to notice major differences in German, English, French, Portugese, and Dutch bibles to be convinced within myself that we would have been all better off, if we had simply and only the Hebrew version.
Also, the Hebrew alphabet is too poetic and too complex to just transform it into words. So much is lost.
And yes, it is wonderful that nowadays, we - and that includes women!! - can learn from Jewish teachers. It is a blessing indeed.
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Post by cybellehawke on Sept 20, 2014 10:02:23 GMT -8
Oh and I forgot to answer your questions
1. In the Netherlands we use "vrede zij met u". It is to say 'let Shalom be with you' in Dutch words.
Here is Rio the Evangelical dominations greet eachother with "A Paz do Senhor" - unfortunately only to the members of their own church hahahaha. I do not mean to ridiculize them though, because in a world full of Hi, hey and hello everyone, it really takes courage to stand out and greet people with substance.
2. Yes I am in school. I study there at night ( I hope I have answered your question well as I am not sure what you mean)
3. Yes you are right. 'Bom dia' means good morning (literally good day) in Portuguese. You only say this when you come in. When you leave you could say Tchau.
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Post by Questor on Sept 20, 2014 22:36:06 GMT -8
Oh..... that is quite a deal of phrases you are showering me with. I only answer now because it took me some time to process it all. Unfortunately I do not have the knowledge to comment on your statements, other than that the history of Jews and early christians is such a tragic one. Religion appears such a delicate and sensitive topic that people manage to disagree on about everything, except that there is but one G-d. However, I would like to point out that if we want to understand the deeper layers of the Old Testament (which is I think a typical christian expression so perhaps I should say Tanakh)a simple translation of "what is says" does not cover the intended meaning and sometimes even puts readers on the wrong foot. I have enough knowledge of the European languages to notice major differences in German, English, French, Portugese, and Dutch bibles to be convinced within myself that we would have been all better off, if we had simply and only the Hebrew version. Also, the Hebrew alphabet is too poetic and too complex to just transform it into words. So much is lost. And yes, it is wonderful that nowadays, we - and that includes women!! - can learn from Jewish teachers. It is a blessing indeed. I am grateful that you took the time to sort through all that I said.
While we may not have the complete understanding that Hebrew could give us if we knew it really well, we have a good deal, and I, as you do, rejoice that it is so, and that as we learn from the Jews, we may be able to learn their language as well. |
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Post by Questor on Sept 20, 2014 22:38:45 GMT -8
Oh and I forgot to answer your questions 1. In the Netherlands we use "vrede zij met u". It is to say 'let Shalom be with you' in Dutch words. Here is Rio the Evangelical dominations greet eachother with "A Paz do Senhor" - unfortunately only to the members of their own church hahahaha. I do not mean to ridiculize them though, because in a world full of Hi, hey and hello everyone, it really takes courage to stand out and greet people with substance. 2. Yes I am in school. I study there at night ( I hope I have answered your question well as I am not sure what you mean) 3. Yes you are right. 'Bom dia' means good morning (literally good day) in Portuguese. You only say this when you come in. When you leave you could say Tchau. |
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Post by alon on Sept 20, 2014 23:15:43 GMT -8
I am grateful that you took the time to sort through all that I said. 
Seriously, we (mostly me) sometimes give Questor a hard time. He likes to write! But sometimes it's worth the effort to read it all! 
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Post by cybellehawke on Sept 22, 2014 8:53:51 GMT -8
How do you keep all those languages straight? I truly wish that when I was young, and able to learn languages quickly that I had them available to me...still, I may be not young, but I can still learn, G-d helping me. I love meeting people of different cultures and religions. For that one needs to speak different languages. It is quite common for the Dutch to be at least tri-lingual. And you keep these languages straight by practising them, be it by watching movies or reading books, or posting online in for instance newspapers or magazines. I love being an eternal apprentice. My English almost improves by the minute. This is because nice people, such as yourself, sit down and take the time and write something. So thank you for your time Questor. I really appreciate it (even if it is long hahahaha) |
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Post by alon on Sept 22, 2014 12:04:14 GMT -8
Some of my posts are "in the vernacular." I write like I talk, basically. For example, "Ain' no-way this'll all be un'erstood by someone not all that f'miliar wi' English." ("there's no way this will [all] be understood by someone not that familiar with English") I do it for effect, but should probably stop since it may be difficult for others to read. If you come across these posts and want to know what I said, you can either ask in the thread itself, or PM me and ask. Either way is fine.
To send a Private Message here just click on my name and my profile will come up. The Private Message button is at the top right hand corner of the page. Any problems you can always email me as well and we'll figure it out.
Dan C
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Post by Questor on Sept 23, 2014 0:56:58 GMT -8
How do you keep all those languages straight? I truly wish that when I was young, and able to learn languages quickly that I had them available to me...still, I may be not young, but I can still learn, G-d helping me. I love meeting people of different cultures and religions. For that one needs to speak different languages. It is quite common for the Dutch to be at least tri-lingual. And you keep these languages straight by practising them, be it by watching movies or reading books, or posting online in for instance newspapers or magazines. I love being an eternal apprentice. My English almost improves by the minute. This is because nice people, such as yourself, sit down and take the time and write something. So thank you for your time Questor. I really appreciate it (even if it is long hahahaha)
No problem! I write as naturally as I breathe these days, Abba having gifted me with chatty fingertips, so I do tend to be a bit descriptive. 
Variety is half the fun of life. In my youth through College I studied erratically, Spanish, French and German, but never got to the conversational stuff...too self conscious at the time, and dropped the moment I left University, Southern California not needing any language but Spanish, and naturally, that was the language I studied least!. However, I must say that I can pronounce words beautifully that I have not the least knowledge of their language, having an ear for languages, but absolutely no discipline when my days to learn the languages easily was within my grasp. And now, the ability to remember things is just not as easy as it once was, alas.
I also love to learn new things...and things I thought I knew. One history course I took on Coursera.com taught me that not all teachers are the same, particularly when the history teacher seemed to think that agriculture was developed by the wheat using the humans in the Middle East circa 10,000 CE (presuming of course there were humans in the Middle East 10,000 years ago doing advanced irrigation) to help them evolve, to maintain the species! And not the Human species, but the wheat species. After I stopped laughing, I erased the course.
That was when I started wondering what is being taught at University these days! I really long for a bunch of good old text books from my Humanities, Sociology and Classics courses of some 37 to 42 years ago, when they seemed to be teaching something a little less avant garde. They say that history is just some guy's opinion, but the way I was taught long ago, you had to have facts ascertained from several sources to claim anything...history just wasn't entirely the opinion of the teacher...but more like historical fiction with tons of documentation. And if you read several opposing viewpoints, you could actually get an idea of what might have happened at any one particular point in time.
Ah well, that was before the propagandists took over the schools. I know that in Economics these days they think that 2 + 2 = 5...or maybe that's Political theory...I just hope that when teaching Physics they are not quite that weird. Makes me wonder if the scientists are actually aware that theories are only theories until they are proven! |
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Post by Questor on Sept 23, 2014 0:58:35 GMT -8
I am grateful that you took the time to sort through all that I said.
Seriously, we (mostly me) sometimes give Questor a hard time. He likes to write! But sometimes it's worth the effort to read it all!
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Post by alon on Sept 23, 2014 1:09:48 GMT -8
It also means to condemn; and we are condemned to haggle over the details of these posts for as long as we both are here!
Dan C
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