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Post by Questor on Aug 26, 2014 19:50:38 GMT -8
I was more than a little amazed to click on a series of links, and find myself at an article on the afterlife on Chabad.org.
Evidently it is a belief in Jewish Thought that we get to work out our Karma through many lifetimes, and when the world is made ready for the Kingdom to Come, we all spend some time in Gehinnon, or the Lake of Fire, experiencing the pain of our bad actions. Once done, we then go onto bliss.
"Each individual soul is dispatched to the physical world with its own individualized mission to accomplish. As Jews, we all have the same with the same 613 mitzvot; but each of us has his or her own set of challenges, distinct talents and capabilities, and particular mitzvot which form the crux of his or her mission in life.
At times, a soul may not conclude its mission in a single lifetime. In such cases, it returns to earth for a “second go” to complete the job. This is the concept of gilgul neshamot—commonly referred to as “reincarnation”—extensively discussed in the teachings of Kabbalah.12 This is why we often find ourselves powerfully drawn to a particular mitzvah or cause and make it the focus of our lives, dedicating to it a seemingly disproportionate part of our time and energy: it is our soul gravitating to the “missing pieces” of its divinely ordained purpose."
www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/282508/jewish/What-Happens-After-We-Die.htm
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Post by alon on Aug 26, 2014 20:26:32 GMT -8
As I was reading this I thought it looked like Kabbalah, and sure enough. The Kabbalah gets a bit weird, even by the standards of the Gemarah. This line of thought is part of the contemporary focus on salvation through works that many Jews (and Kabbalistic Christians- tho they'd be angry to hear this) fall into. The Hebrews of the TNK understood salvation the same as it is today (God doesn't change, and we didn't get lucky and get an easy dispensation). You accept the God of Abraham, at that time also accepting Judaism, and you walk with Him. When you ceased to walk with God, you were in a lost state; but fortunately God is faithful to forgive even then.
We accept Yeshua, Who by the way is the same God as the God of Abraham. Like Abraham and the earlier Hebrews we are justified by our faith and trust in God. And we walk with Him hopefully all our days. If we don't, we're lost. Simple. Just like in the old times of yesteryear in Yerushalayim.
After the great rift between Judaism and the Natsar, then later the dominant catholic, then Christian churches, why both Judaism and Christianity would agree on this point of salvation through works and then the ideas of reincarnation (some Christians do) and Purgatory (many more Christians do) I just don't know.
Dan C
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Post by Questor on Aug 27, 2014 0:31:31 GMT -8
As I was reading this I thought it looked like Kabbalah, and sure enough. The Kabbalah gets a bit weird, even by the standards of the Gemarah. This line of thought is part of the contemporary focus on salvation through works that many Jews (and Kabbalistic Christians- tho they'd be angry to hear this) fall into. The Hebrews of the TNK understood salvation the same as it is today (God doesn't change, and we didn't get lucky and get an easy dispensation). You accept the God of Abraham, at that time also accepting Judaism, and you walk with Him. When you ceased to walk with God, you were in a lost state; but fortunately God is faithful to forgive even then.
We accept Yeshua, Who by the way is the same God as the God of Abraham. Like Abraham and the earlier Hebrews we are justified by our faith and trust in God. And we walk with Him hopefully all our days. If we don't, we're lost. Simple. Just like in the old times of yesteryear in Yerushalayim.
After the great rift between Judaism and the Natsar, then later the dominant catholic, then Christian churches, why both Judaism and Christianity would agree on this point of salvation through works and then the ideas of reincarnation (some Christians do) and Purgatory (many more Christians do) I just don't know.
Dan C
I wouldn't really mind reincarnation, so long as I kept all my memories...at least then I would start where I left off...but I have rather been counting on the new body with all the rules built in. And the point of Karmic debt working itself out of you is to free you, not from sin, but from identity, and self-ness, and I don't want that. What would have been the point of becoming a person at all?
And our being raised into a new body is a second life, and is in a second body, so I guess it wouldn't be out of the question for those that need to repeat Kindergarten, but I can't see it in a Just G-d...unless the re-incarnation is the punishment, of course.
As to the Kabbalah ideas of Gehinnon, and how we just really, really get to experience what we did to other people, and regret it properly...well, that is what I would want for any demon types...but when I am going through all my forgiving of other people, I sometimes forgive the Adversary too. He only does what G-d authorizes, and that is mostly bad advice and emotional button pushing, constantly whispered into your mind. People forget that this is a free will universe, and what we do has consequences, that hurt ourselves and others, even when we are trying to be good. I hate it when my actions hurt others, and I hate it when others hurt me, and I hate it more when it is on purpose, and I hate it most of all when it is a good action, made with good intent and it hurts someone!
The part I really do not understand is why the Purgatory part of it. Grace is total, or it's not Grace. If we are paying for our sins, then we are right back to working our way out of something, and Grace is given, not earned.
As it is, the hardest thing already is accepting Yehoshua's pardon for all the lack of perfection you are doing on a regular basis, else why the feeling of guilt? Isn't that Hell already?
Since it's about trusting Yehoshua, and doing so enough to die to your own ideas of life and who you should be, we who Believe are already being reborn every day, because we sure have to die to SOMETHING... every day, or we are not doing the Believing right!
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Post by alon on Aug 27, 2014 1:12:55 GMT -8
Reincarnation is an Eastern religious philosophy. It is not found in the Bible.
The adversary does not do what God authorizes- that would make God the monster we believe the adversary to be! I caution you out of concern, you are coming close to blasphemy here, blaming God for what ha satan does. I know within all reason you don’t mean it like that, but unintentional sin is still sin.
I just had a similar experience, where in my anger I accused Christians of worshiping a demon. I immediately repented, as that was not what I had intended but it just came out! I was horrified I could think such a thing. But we do it, and that was the enemy using my anger as an in to accuse God through me. NOT what I ever want to do!
Whenever I get angry with those who have wronged me, I first think of what all YHVH has forgiven me of; and trust me when I say it is a lot. Then I remember two things; we only are responsible to forgive those who genuinely ask our forgiveness, and if God forgives them they are truly forgiven, and I acknowledge His right to do so. So I pronounce a curse and a blessing on them. The curse is they would be held accountable by God for what they have done to me. The blessing is I pray they will find Yeshua and accept Him as Savior. If they are already saved that they would come to terms with their responsibilities and get right with God. This is no more than the curse and the blessing God offers every one of us, but it makes me feel better to say it.
Not even close …
They are working on the server tonight, so it is frustrating to go from site to site to find scriptures; so I’ll get back to this if it’s OK.
Dan C
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Post by Questor on Aug 27, 2014 1:21:46 GMT -8
Reincarnation is an Eastern religious philosophy. It is not found in the Bible.The adversary does not do what God authorizes- that would make God the monster we believe the adversary to be! I caution you out of concern, you are coming close to blasphemy here, blaming God for what ha satan does. I know within all reason you don’t mean it like that, but unintentional sin is still sin.
I just had a similar experience, where in my anger I accused Christians of worshiping a demon. I immediately repented, as that was not what I had intended but it just came out! I was horrified I could think such a thing. But we do it, and that was the enemy using my anger as an in to accuse God through me. NOT what I ever want to do!
Whenever I get angry with those who have wronged me, I first think of what all YHVH has forgiven me of; and trust me when I say it is a lot. Then I remember two things; we only are responsible to forgive those who genuinely ask our forgiveness, and if God forgives them they are truly forgiven, and I acknowledge His right to do so. So I pronounce a curse and a blessing on them. The curse is they would be held accountable by God for what they have done to me. The blessing is I pray they will find Yeshua and accept Him as Savior. If they are already saved that they would come to terms with their responsibilities and get right with God. This is no more than the curse and the blessing God offers every one of us, but it makes me feel better to say it.Not even close …
They are working on the server tonight, so it is frustrating to go from site to site to find scriptures; so I’ll get back to this if it’s OK.
Dan C Does not Abba limit what the Adversary can do, as He appears to do in Job?
Job 1:6-12 (KJV) 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
As for forgiveness being a curse...I never thought of it that way.
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Post by Questor on Aug 27, 2014 1:29:47 GMT -8
Reincarnation is an Eastern religious philosophy. It is not found in the Bible.The adversary does not do what God authorizes- that would make God the monster we believe the adversary to be! I caution you out of concern, you are coming close to blasphemy here, blaming God for what ha satan does. I know within all reason you don’t mean it like that, but unintentional sin is still sin.
I just had a similar experience, where in my anger I accused Christians of worshiping a demon. I immediately repented, as that was not what I had intended but it just came out! I was horrified I could think such a thing. But we do it, and that was the enemy using my anger as an in to accuse God through me. NOT what I ever want to do!
Whenever I get angry with those who have wronged me, I first think of what all YHVH has forgiven me of; and trust me when I say it is a lot. Then I remember two things; we only are responsible to forgive those who genuinely ask our forgiveness, and if God forgives them they are truly forgiven, and I acknowledge His right to do so. So I pronounce a curse and a blessing on them. The curse is they would be held accountable by God for what they have done to me. The blessing is I pray they will find Yeshua and accept Him as Savior. If they are already saved that they would come to terms with their responsibilities and get right with God. This is no more than the curse and the blessing God offers every one of us, but it makes me feel better to say it.Not even close …
They are working on the server tonight, so it is frustrating to go from site to site to find scriptures; so I’ll get back to this if it’s OK.
Dan C Certainly...I need some sleep anyway.
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Post by alon on Aug 27, 2014 1:57:10 GMT -8
Putting limits on him is not the same as telling him what to do. Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. Note YHVH gave no instructions, only the limits to his evil deeds.As to forgiveness, the offer is a curse only if you (or your enemies) do not accept. This is true blasphemy of the Ruach, as not accepting denies the power and working of YHVH through His Ruach HaChodesh. Either that, or you spit in the face of God by refusing the offer fully knowing what this means. When they accept however, and God forgives them, I do not believe we are to hold onto unforgiveness. I think this is what is meant when the Bible talks about he who does not forgive will not be forgiven (and if the server ever gets lined out I'll give ch. & vs.). We cannot try to thwart God's will by staying angry at someone who has repented and asked God to forgive. This divides the body of Yeshua and keeps us in bondage to the other person's sin! Sin which he is no longer guilty of by the covering of the same blood that cleansed you of wrongs done to others! But if we can make him feel he is still guilty, we've just allied with the enemy to rob this person's joy and damage his witness.
Look at Rav Sha'ul and the early believers. Sha'ul had been killing their friends, neighbors and even family up until his conversion. Then he ends up writing most of what would become the B'rit Chadasha! Had they all plotted to harm him or destroy his work, what would have been the effect on God's plan?
And God does not always get His way, mostly because He sets limits on Himself too. He will not interfere with our exercise of free will, for one thing. And it says He wills none to perish, yet more perish than not, even in churches and Synagogues! So we, and the adversary in league with us (or more accurately us with him) can thwart God's will. How many times has someone been on the point of decision, and someone else interfered and destroyed the moment- a moment that for this person may never come again. Yet even Christians, so fearful someone might be led to Yeshua instead of Jesus, will interrupt. I've had this happen, and instead of arguing I just backed away, but the moment was already destroyed. You can blast them later for it (and I did) however the damage is done. , even tragic, and so unnecessary.
Dan C
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Post by Questor on Aug 27, 2014 16:20:16 GMT -8
Putting limits on him is not the same as telling him what to do. Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. Note YHVH gave no instructions, only the limits to his evil deeds.As to forgiveness, the offer is a curse only if you (or your enemies) do not accept. This is true blasphemy of the Ruach, as not accepting denies the power and working of YHVH through His Ruach HaChodesh. Either that, or you spit in the face of God by refusing the offer fully knowing what this means. When they accept however, and God forgives them, I do not believe we are to hold onto unforgiveness. I think this is what is meant when the Bible talks about he who does not forgive will not be forgiven (and if the server ever gets lined out I'll give ch. & vs.). We cannot try to thwart God's will by staying angry at someone who has repented and asked God to forgive. This divides the body of Yeshua and keeps us in bondage to the other person's sin! Sin which he is no longer guilty of by the covering of the same blood that cleansed you of wrongs done to others! But if we can make him feel he is still guilty, we've just allied with the enemy to rob this person's joy and damage his witness.
Look at Rav Sha'ul and the early believers. Sha'ul had been killing their friends, neighbors and even family up until his conversion. Then he ends up writing most of what would become the B'rit Chadasha! Had they all plotted to harm him or destroy his work, what would have been the effect on God's plan?
And God does not always get His way, mostly because He sets limits on Himself too. He will not interfere with our exercise of free will, for one thing. And it says He wills none to perish, yet more perish than not, even in churches and Synagogues! So we, and the adversary in league with us (or more accurately us with him) can thwart God's will. How many times has someone been on the point of decision, and someone else interfered and destroyed the moment- a moment that for this person may never come again. Yet even Christians, so fearful someone might be led to Yeshua instead of Jesus, will interrupt. I've had this happen, and instead of arguing I just backed away, but the moment was already destroyed. You can blast them later for it (and I did) however the damage is done. , even tragic, and so unnecessary.
Dan C I am pleased that you spelled it out, for this is my understanding as well. Abba limited Himself to give us Freewill, and because Adam somehow forfeited the dominion of the earth to the Adversary by his disobedience to G-d, the Adversary got control of matters, although I am not sure how that was done exactly, but always under specific limitations.
It always appears to me that the Adversary gets most of the damage done by punching emotional and psychological triggers, though I understand the demons can do physical damage, and interfere with us in some way. But I am assuming that the demons are under the Adversaries control, being the fallen spirits that fell with the Adversary, and I don't know that it's true.
When things are working properly, please give me chapter and verse...I would like to understand it all better.
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Post by alon on Aug 27, 2014 18:20:28 GMT -8
Forgiveness:
Mat 6: 15 but if you do not forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will not forgive yours.
Hell:
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, …
Psa 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
H7585 שׁאל שׁאול she'ôl she'ôl sheh-ole', sheh-ole' From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.
So Hell is a real place where the wicked are sent.
Mat 10: 28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are powerless to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gei-Hinnom.”
G1067 γέεννα geenna gheh'-en-nah Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.
In the Deuterocannonical book of Judith, ch.16 vs. 17 : The nations who rise up against my people are doomed. The Lord Almighty will punish them on Judgment Day. He will send fire and worms to devour their bodies, and they will weep in pain forever
Compare this to Isaiah 66:24 "As they leave, they will look on the corpses of the people who rebelled against me. For their worm will never die, and their fire will never be quenched; but they will be abhorrent to all humanity."
Luk 16:23 "In Sh'ol, where he was in torment, the rich man looked up and saw Avraham far away with El`azar at his side.”
So Hell is a place of eternal torment.
2 Peter 2: 4 For God did not spare the angels who sinned; on the contrary, he put them in gloomy dungeons lower than Sh'ol to be held for judgment.
So if the angels who sinned are thrown into the pit, why do we think our fate any different if we die in our sins?
Dan C
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Post by alon on Aug 27, 2014 18:33:41 GMT -8
It always appears to me that the Adversary gets most of the damage done by punching emotional and psychological triggers, though I understand the demons can do physical damage, and interfere with us in some way. But I am assuming that the demons are under the Adversaries control, being the fallen spirits that fell with the Adversary, and I don't know that it's true. That is because the enemy has influence, not control. He only has control to the degree God allows him or, more likely the case we give over control. Demons cannot just "posses" a person. Why would God give a demon the power to take our free will when He won't do that Himself? We can however give ourselves over to evil just as we can give ourselves to God. The problem with demons is the deeper in you go the harder it is to get out!
Demonology is a study unto itself, and there is more BS out there in both Christian and Messianic circles, with HR having some of the worst! We could really have a discussion on this topic alone!
Dan C
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Post by Questor on Aug 27, 2014 19:31:55 GMT -8
It always appears to me that the Adversary gets most of the damage done by punching emotional and psychological triggers, though I understand the demons can do physical damage, and interfere with us in some way. But I am assuming that the demons are under the Adversaries control, being the fallen spirits that fell with the Adversary, and I don't know that it's true. That is because the enemy has influence, not control. He only has control to the degree God allows him or, more likely the case we give over control. Demons cannot just "posses" a person. Why would God give a demon the power to take our free will when He won't do that Himself? We can however give ourselves over to evil just as we can give ourselves to God. The problem with demons is the deeper in you go the harder it is to get out!
Demonology is a study unto itself, and there is more BS out there in both Christian and Messianic circles, with HR having some of the worst! We could really have a discussion on this topic alone!
Dan C
Yes, please let us do so. So many people are under the impression that spirits of every variety can directly attack people, even when they are in Yehohsua, and have the Holy Spirit, whereas, just like the Adversary using spirits to whisper wrong ideas into our heads, and then, as we do what they suggest, drag us further and further into evil, they can only do what we allow them to do.
Then there is the question of just who is controlling the weather?
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Post by Questor on Aug 27, 2014 19:36:55 GMT -8
Forgiveness:Mat 6: 15 but if you do not forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will not forgive yours.Hell: Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, …
Psa 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.H7585 שׁאל שׁאול she'ôl she'ôl sheh-ole', sheh-ole' From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.So Hell is a real place where the wicked are sent.Mat 10: 28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are powerless to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gei-Hinnom.” G1067 γέεννα geenna gheh'-en-nah Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.In the Deuterocannonical book of Judith, ch.16 vs. 17 :The nations who rise up against my people are doomed. The Lord Almighty will punish them on Judgment Day. He will send fire and worms to devour their bodies, and they will weep in pain foreverCompare this to Isaiah 66:24 "As they leave, they will look on the corpses of the people who rebelled against me. For their worm will never die, and their fire will never be quenched; but they will be abhorrent to all humanity."Luk 16:23 "In Sh'ol, where he was in torment, the rich man looked up and saw Avraham far away with El`azar at his side.”So Hell is a place of eternal torment.2 Peter 2: 4 For God did not spare the angels who sinned; on the contrary, he put them in gloomy dungeons lower than Sh'ol to be held for judgment.So if the angels who sinned are thrown into the pit, why do we think our fate any different if we die in our sins?
Dan C
Well, because of Yehoshua, and our trust in His righteousness, and the gift of Grace so long as we persevere in the faith, and DEMONSTRATE the fruit by our actions of our faith in Yehoshua, we do not have to deal with that. However, deny Yehoshua to save your life, and there would be very little to live or die for.
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Post by alon on Aug 28, 2014 1:05:51 GMT -8
font face="arial"] Yes, please let us do so. So many people are under the impression that spirits of every variety can directly attack people, even when they are in Yehohsua, and have the Holy Spirit, whereas, just like the Adversary using spirits to whisper wrong ideas into our heads, and then, as we do what they suggest, drag us further and further into evil, they can only do what we allow them to do.
Then there is the question of just who is controlling the weather?[/font][/quote] Well, because of Yehoshua, and our trust in His righteousness, and the gift of Grace so long as we persevere in the faith, and DEMONSTRATE the fruit by our actions of our faith in Yehoshua, we do not have to deal with that. However, deny Yehoshua to save your life, and there would be very little to live or die for.[/quote] They can directly attack, setting up circumstances and events that will test your life. You and me both have health issues which, tho in my case many of them are my fault the enemy still used them to his advantages. He also sets up circumstances where there will be strife between me and my wife because I am Natsar.
I have for the last couple of weeks been experiencing health issues coupled with what I call rolling attacks. Due to the health issues flaring up and being in constant pain, I have no reserves to deal with other problems. Yet here they come at me, one rolling in right behind the other. Usually toward the end is when I loose it over something small (to anyone else, but to me by this time it is huge).
I know it was demonic, because I had been praying against the demon for days, but when my wife stepped in and prayed with me it stopped and some of the bad health issues stopped flaring, just like that. So they can directly attack, however they an never give us more than we can bare; God limits them on that.
Demons can bring difficult people into our lives, come at us sideways through friends and family, and sometimes hit us head on with problems. However too often we invite them in. Watching questionable movies or reading questionable books. Falling back into old habits such as cussin too much. Even driving past the billboard of the girl wearin nuthin but a smile and a towel every morning can get you into trouble. Things like that carry demonic influences. So do coworkers who flirt, either with you or with others in your office. These bring demons that may attach themselves to your thoughts and harm you later. Obviously dabbling in the occult or idolatry is a huge problem. And I've had to fight demons, calling some out by name and just describing others to God and praying He would deal with them for me- and I've felt their weight lift as God did so.
So they are nothing to be sneered at. They can wreak havoc in our lives. You've said you dabbled in the occult at one point. I'd guess you still have some "friends" lurking about, just waiting the chance to attack. But we attract them in so many ways because we refuse to use the discernment God gave us and just do what we want.
Dan C
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Post by Questor on Aug 28, 2014 14:51:17 GMT -8
font face="arial"] Yes, please let us do so. So many people are under the impression that spirits of every variety can directly attack people, even when they are in Yehohsua, and have the Holy Spirit, whereas, just like the Adversary using spirits to whisper wrong ideas into our heads, and then, as we do what they suggest, drag us further and further into evil, they can only do what we allow them to do.
Then there is the question of just who is controlling the weather?[/font][/quote] Well, because of Yehoshua, and our trust in His righteousness, and the gift of Grace so long as we persevere in the faith, and DEMONSTRATE the fruit by our actions of our faith in Yehoshua, we do not have to deal with that. However, deny Yehoshua to save your life, and there would be very little to live or die for.[/quote] They can directly attack, setting up circumstances and events that will test your life. You and me both have health issues which, tho in my case many of them are my fault the enemy still used them to his advantages. He also sets up circumstances where there will be strife between me and my wife because I am Natsar.
I have for the last couple of weeks been experiencing health issues coupled with what I call rolling attacks. Due to the health issues flaring up and being in constant pain, I have no reserves to deal with other problems. Yet here they come at me, one rolling in right behind the other. Usually toward the end is when I loose it over something small (to anyone else, but to me by this time it is huge).
I know it was demonic, because I had been praying against the demon for days, but when my wife stepped in and prayed with me it stopped and some of the bad health issues stopped flaring, just like that. So they can directly attack, however they an never give us more than we can bare; God limits them on that.
Demons can bring difficult people into our lives, come at us sideways through friends and family, and sometimes hit us head on with problems. However too often we invite them in. Watching questionable movies or reading questionable books. Falling back into old habits such as cussin too much. Even driving past the billboard of the girl wearin nuthin but a smile and a towel every morning can get you into trouble. Things like that carry demonic influences. So do coworkers who flirt, either with you or with others in your office. These bring demons that may attach themselves to your thoughts and harm you later. Obviously dabbling in the occult or idolatry is a huge problem. And I've had to fight demons, calling some out by name and just describing others to God and praying He would deal with them for me- and I've felt their weight lift as God did so.
So they are nothing to be sneered at. They can wreak havoc in our lives. You've said you dabbled in the occult at one point. I'd guess you still have some "friends" lurking about, just waiting the chance to attack. But we attract them in so many ways because we refuse to use the discernment God gave us and just do what we want.
Dan C[/quote] I can't tell of course if there are demons hanging around from my early twenties, but for all I know it's the same one poking at me all the time. I cast out, I pray for protection, and I recognize a lot of the button pushing and the nasty voice that pops into my head the moment I get up, and fight against it with other thoughts that are G-d related. Is this the discernment you speak of? Recognizing when you are under attack?
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Post by alon on Aug 28, 2014 16:51:00 GMT -8
Recognizing when you are under attack would be part of it, though discernment covers a lot of things. We discern the truth when we read scripture, just as we discern when someone is misquoting scripture also. We discern individuals intentions and whether they are Godly or perverse. We might even discern what type of demon is attacking us. I always pray for discernment.
Dan C
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