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Post by alon on Jul 15, 2014 5:56:33 GMT -8
According to my "Concise Book of Mitzvoth", there are 77 positive commandments and 194 negative commandments, plus 26 commandments which are contingent on Eretz Yisra'el. Obviously this is Rabbinic Judaism, and so would not be binding on Messianic Jews, proselytes or HR folk. There has been a few questions about just which ones we SHOULD keep in order to be  Observant. Most of these even a good Christian should be doing, such as not seeking vengeance. But some you wouldn't think much about, such as not swearing by the name of an idol. Ex 23:13, "Pay attention to everything I have said to you; do not invoke the names of other gods or even let them be heard crossing your lips." Most of us give little thought to saying things like "By Jove." I don't know who Jove was, but for years men have made him an idol by speaking of him as such! So STOP!
So why is he telling us all this? (you know that alon character, he's probably just proud he can read a book). But no, I have a question:
If I go through and select some of these and do a synapsis of what the Rabbis say, would there be any interest in discussing them? I ask because I can read, and I'm danged proud of it, and this would be a pretty big ongoing project as opposed to me just reading through it myself. So if ya'll want, I will. If not- I'll just read quietly. (I can, you know!) But it would be good to maybe discuss which ones we should keep, maybe even make a list eventually. Many of us are in situations where it is impossible to keep some commandments correctly, so maybe we could discuss ways to do the best we can.
Let me know.
Dan C
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Post by jimmie on Jul 15, 2014 8:35:30 GMT -8
Hey that doesn't add up to 613.
I have looked at all 613 and all can be related to one of the ten commandments which in turn can be related to the two great commandments upon which every thing hangs. Another review would not be unwelcomed.
Jove = Jupiter
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Post by alon on Jul 15, 2014 9:18:19 GMT -8
Hey that doesn't add up to 613. I have looked at all 613 and all can be related to one of the ten commandments which in turn can be related to the two great commandments upon which every thing hangs. Another review would not be unwelcomed. Jove = Jupiter
And thanks for the Jove reference.
As to the addition, check again ... just kidding.  It doesn't add up because those commandments which have to do with the Temple cannot be kept without one.
Dan C
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Post by Micha'el on Jul 15, 2014 9:39:12 GMT -8
Shalom! I counted 297. And I also read all 613, there were some possible repeats as I read. I think Alon is on to something good here. Many of my acquaintances would find this very informative and as I would add, worthy to know as far as keeping goes. Micha'el  |
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Post by alon on Jul 15, 2014 12:20:06 GMT -8
OK, I'll start with an easy one and see what happens. Go to Sh'moth (Exodus) 20:2 and let's talk about the fact God exists.
Dan C
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Post by alon on Jul 15, 2014 13:14:47 GMT -8
And a little more difficult, B’reshith (Gen) 32:32 for the first negative commandment.
Dan C
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Post by alon on Jul 15, 2014 14:29:42 GMT -8
I guess I should explain that ... I am putting the mitzvoth in the scripture section where the Bible quote regarding that mitzvah is given. Mudd ... ok ...
When I say go to Sh'moth (Exodus) 20:2, I mean go to the board, Sh'moth (Exodus) forum, Sh'moth (Exodus) 20:2 thread (which I just started). Most of ya'll probably had that figgere'd out, but I had to xplain just in case. I'm tired; no sleep for 2 days so don't mind me.
Dan [  z-Z-z-z-z-z ] C
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Post by alon on Aug 17, 2014 16:47:13 GMT -8
According to my "Concise Book of Mitzvoth", there are 77 positive commandments and 194 negative commandments, plus 26 commandments which are contingent on Eretz Yisra'el. Obviously this is Rabbinic Judaism, and so would not be binding on Messianic Jews, proselytes or HR folk. There has been a few questions about just which ones we SHOULD keep in order to be Observant. ... If I go through and select some of these and do a synapsis of what the Rabbis say, would there be any interest in discussing them? ... But it would be good to maybe discuss which ones we should keep, maybe even make a list eventually. Many of us are in situations where it is impossible to keep some commandments correctly, so maybe we could discuss ways to do the best we can.
Dan  C
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Post by alon on Aug 27, 2014 18:53:24 GMT -8
Note that as we go through these, all they do is explain scripture that are instructional to our lives. Agree with the Rabbis commentary or not- and there've been a couple I do disagree with so far- the scripture is still true and still does instruct. So reviewing the mitzvoth is not a bad thing. Neither is discussing both the scripture and the Rabbis commentary.
Dan C
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Post by Questor on Aug 28, 2014 14:59:32 GMT -8
Note that as we go through these, all they do is explain scripture that are instructional to our lives. Agree with the Rabbis commentary or not- and there've been a couple I do disagree with so far- the scripture is still true and still does instruct. So reviewing the mitzvoth is not a bad thing. Neither is discussing both the scripture and the Rabbis commentary.
Dan C
I think that the daily hearing of them is very important, even when they do not apply specifically to a Messianic Gentile like me, because I do think that Yehoshua wants all of us to become more and more obedient to all of the Written . It is in all His teachings, and should I, a Disciple however Gentilish, attempt to do less than those following Him then?
As for the Mishna and the Talmud, there are many insights there than can add to our understanding of exactly what Yehoshua, and the Apostles were saying to us. |
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Post by alon on Aug 28, 2014 16:38:51 GMT -8
I read the Daily Mitzvot from Chabad, and find them all interesting, but mostly I focus on those that apply to me here, in the Diaspora, with no Temple.
Dan C
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Post by alon on Sept 7, 2014 3:04:55 GMT -8
More and more I see these are things that any good Christian should be doing anyhow. Just we as Messianics (or even ger toshav) should be taking it to the next level of obedience. I'm traped somewhere between ger toshav and ger tzadek, but I still need to step it up as well.
Dan C
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Post by alon on Sept 18, 2014 12:51:38 GMT -8
We have a few new members, although few of them have posted. (Feel free to jump in folks). Just thought I'd bring this back up and explain that from time to time I am putting up mitzvoth (commandments) from the Rabbibic Judaism perspective. We can discuss their applicability to us, any meanings we can take from them; we even rewrite them to be meaningful to us as believers in Yeshua at times. So feel free to weigh in with thoughts and opinions. Just please no bashing because they are mainstream Judaism.
Rom 3:1-2 Then what advantage has the Jew? What is the value of being circumcised? Much in every way! In the first place, the Jews were entrusted with the very words of God.
Since God never revokes a calling, we still must respect the Jews and their treatment of the Word, or at least the TNK. I gain a LOT of insight from the commentary in my JPS Study TNK. I also gain insight from studying what the sages thought of as the mitzvoth gleaned from . I hope you will as well.
Dan C
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Post by Questor on Sept 18, 2014 23:01:40 GMT -8
We have a few new members, although few of them have posted. (Feel free to jump in folks). Just thought I'd bring this back up and explain that from time to time I am putting up mitzvoth (commandments) from the Rabbibic Judaism perspective. We can discuss their applicability to us, any meanings we can take from them; we even rewrite them to be meaningful to us as believers in Yeshua at times. So feel free to weigh in with thoughts and opinions. Just please no bashing because they are mainstream Judaism.Rom 3:1-2 Then what advantage has the Jew? What is the value of being circumcised? Much in every way! In the first place, the Jews were entrusted with the very words of God. Since God never revokes a calling, we still must respect the Jews and their treatment of the Word, or at least the TNK. I gain a LOT of insight from the commentary in my JPS Study TNK. I also gain insight from studying what the sages thought of as the mitzvoth gleaned from . I hope you will as well.
Dan C
Yes, and I freely speak to aggravate anyone into speaking! Not that I intentionally aggravate, but Alon and I sometimes mis-understand each other, and then work it out.
So please, sign in and comment about anything, or ask anything!  |
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Post by alon on Sept 28, 2014 1:07:42 GMT -8
You may (or may not) have noticed that I am skipping ahead quite a bit on listing the mitzvoth. I am looking for and posting those that pertain to the High Holy Days, which are upon us now. So if you are not in the habit of reading the scriptural posts, you might want to do so now as some of them are very informative. Others ... provocative might be a better term. But always educational!
I'll try to put up some more tomorrow.
Dan C
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Observant. Most of these even a good Christian should be doing, such as not seeking vengeance. But some you wouldn't think much about, such as not swearing by the name of an idol. Ex 23:13, "Pay attention to everything I have said to you; do not invoke the names of other gods or even let them be heard crossing your lips." Most of us give little thought to saying things like "By Jove." I don't know who Jove was, but for years men have made him an idol by speaking of him as such! So STOP!
It doesn't add up because those commandments which have to do with the Temple cannot be kept without one. 
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