Mat 7:29, 8:19, 13:52, 23:34

[alon]

MainC likes to paint all scribes with a broad brush, categorizing them as bad without much thought or any investigation. But let’s see:

Mat 23:34a “34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes …”

Mat 8:19 “And a scribe came up and said to him, "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go."”

Mat 13:52 “And he said to them, "Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house, who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old."

Would Yeshua send bad scribes? Is a scribe who is willing to start his teaching over to be with Yeshua a bad person? A scribe who is trained for the kingdom, and who brings forth treasure is bad?

And the clincher:

Mat 7: 29 “for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.”

“For he was teaching them as one who had authority” means He was ordained as a Rabbi, which means Yeshua Himself would have been a higher order of scribe.

From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia under SCRIBES:

The extraordinary honors bestowed on these scholars on the part of the people are expressed in their honorary titles. Most common was the appellative "rabbi"

So I would posit that mainC is wrong again- there WERE good scribes, many of them; just as there were many good Pharisees, and probably a few good Sadducees as well!

Dan (not main)C

[Questor]

Jul 10, 2014 1:57:34 GMT -8 alon said:

MainC likes to paint all scribes with a broad brush, categorizing them as bad without much thought or any investigation. But let’s see:

Mat 23:34a “34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes …”

Mat 8:19 “And a scribe came up and said to him, "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go."”

Mat 13:52 “And he said to them, "Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house, who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old."

Would Yeshua send bad scribes? Is a scribe who is willing to start his teaching over to be with Yeshua a bad person? A scribe who is trained for the kingdom, and who brings forth treasure is bad?

And the clincher:

Mat 7: 29 “for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.”

“For he was teaching them as one who had authority” means He was ordained as a Rabbi, which means Yeshua Himself would have been a higher order of scribe.

From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia under SCRIBES:

The extraordinary honors bestowed on these scholars on the part of the people are expressed in their honorary titles. Most common was the appellative "rabbi"

So I would posit that mainC is wrong again- there WERE good scribes, many of them; just as there were many good Pharisees, and probably a few good Sadducees as well!

Dan (not main)C



I don't think anyone in the Scriptures were bad people if they followed , which most did. Only those that were against Yehoshua could be bad, since they were breaking commandments right and left to get rid of Him.

The difficulty is what Preachers in MainC have said from 200 A.D. onwards...that the Scribes and Pharisees were the bad guys. They weren't as a group the bad guys...only the ruling the elite of the Priests, Scribes, and Pharisees that did not want to lose power to the upstart from Gallilee, or worse, have to change by accepting Yehoshua as King.  And since Yehoshua had to die to be our Goel, their hearts might have been hardened purposely by Abba.

I guess that would make them a lot like many of MainC people, who don't want to obey G-d's commandments either.