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Post by Yedidyah on Apr 7, 2014 14:57:11 GMT -8
I found this and thought I would share it. For people who say this kind of stuff can't happen these days is simple a false statement. Here is part of the article, "This is truly a dark day for Hungary," said EJC President Dr. Moshe Kantor in a statement issued after the close of polls. "The gains made by Jobbik, an unashamedly neo-Nazi political party, should serve as a wake-up call for the whole of Europe." virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=12561 |
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Post by alon on Apr 7, 2014 15:24:48 GMT -8
I found this and thought I would share it. For people who say this kind of stuff can't happen these days is simple a false statement. I've heard it said that the Jews were never meant to be comfortable in their exile. That sure seems to be the case right now across the globe. Personally, I think it part of the plan to gather them back to ha'aretz Yisra'el before the end times. The question I often ponder is where does that leave Messianic believers like myself who are gentiles adopted into the family. I've never been sure where my/our calling is at the end. Heck, I still wonder why God left me here amongst the pagans right now! Let alone at the end! Guess I'll just wait and see what He does with me ... Dan C edit: re-reading, it looks like I liked that because the Jews are being persecuted so the'll go back. Not the case at all! I do like that you keep us informed. Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 16:13:30 GMT -8
Alon, have you not thought that Yeshua has you here among the pagans to shine His light to them? To reveal the truth of God's word to them? If we were not here who would shine the light to the rest of the world, especially when things are starting to not be so good?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 16:16:45 GMT -8
This is a great concern indeed Yedidyah. Thank you for sharing this.
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Post by alon on Apr 7, 2014 16:58:07 GMT -8
Alon, have you not thought that Yeshua has you here among the pagans to shine His light to them? To reveal the truth of God's word to them? If we were not here who would shine the light to the rest of the world, especially when things are starting to not be so good? Moriah Ruth Yes, Ruth ... dangit!  But sometimes it ain't easy. I got into it with one of the prominent members at the AoG church last night because I insisted that repentance was part of the salvation process! He couldn't explain the process without it himself, and was mostly just trying to argue with me because he wants his feel-good religion. He wants to believe that anyone who says "Yes" to the eternal question has at that point repented and is saved. My point, and Pentecostal doctrine as well, is that acceptance is only the second step in the process. The Ruach (Holy Spirit to them) prompts us and quickens our heart. Then we either say yes or no. But the third step in this process is repentance. The Ruach looks at us to discern whether we have a truly repentant heart and then, on the basis of THAT question either accepts us or rejects us. That is part of the Dispensationalist mainstream thinking that everyone else had it tough, what with all those commandments and getting stoned for gathering firewood on Shabbat and all. But lucky us, we're under the dispensation of grace, so just answer the one multiple guess question right and you are set for eternity. Go out and get stoned, you're under grace! But I'm sorry, if you want to feel good about your sin I ain't the one you want to talk to! Now, if he could prove that to me, I'd be just one happy little gentile, just out there sinnin' my butt off! 'Cept I already done that, and I now look back and see the results of sin on me and others that I love, and I just can't go there any more. But the truth is a stranger, not welcome in most houses. Even a house of worship at times. Couldn't He have just called me to sit in agreement with a Messianic congregation somewhere?  (whine, whine ... !) Ah, you're right of course. It is where I'm supposed to be for now. So I should just quit my snivel'n and get on with the task at hand. Dan C |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 17:18:57 GMT -8
HAHA.Alon. just reading your response and seeing you whine I was chuckling to myself. The exact word that came to mind was WHINER. I couldn't resist.
We all can be whiners at times.
I agree with you with regards to repentance goes along with salvation. Without repentance than our salvation is not complete. This is probably why so many Christians and believers in Yeshua do not have full victory in their lives, or they go back to their sin. In this case like a dog who goes back to it's vomit. Repentance in my thinking is very important. I find that there is a lack of teaching on repentance in churches.
Someone had shared in another posting that obedience also goes along with salvation. I totally agree. In order to have full and complete salvation in Yeshua one needs to repent, turn from their sins and make the choice to be obedient to Him. I see this much clearer now. Many believers and Christians do not want to hear the truth these days it seems. They like to have their ears tickled and see signs and wonders. If they do not see signs and wonders they will not believe. They will not believe with their hearts or minds. Their whole being. I also see this in some MJ groups, not all just some.
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Post by Questor on Apr 10, 2014 19:46:55 GMT -8
Alon, have you not thought that Yeshua has you here among the pagans to shine His light to them? To reveal the truth of God's word to them? If we were not here who would shine the light to the rest of the world, especially when things are starting to not be so good? Moriah Ruth Yes, Ruth ... dangit! But sometimes it ain't easy. I got into it with one of the prominent members at the AoG church last night because I insisted that repentance was part of the salvation process! He couldn't explain the process without it himself, and was mostly just trying to argue with me because he wants his feel-good religion. He wants to believe that anyone who says "Yes" to the eternal question has at that point repented and is saved. My point, and Pentecostal doctrine as well, is that acceptance is only the second step in the process. The Ruach (Holy Spirit to them) prompts us and quickens our heart. Then we either say yes or no. But the third step in this process is repentance. The Ruach looks at us to discern whether we have a truly repentant heart and then, on the basis of THAT question either accepts us or rejects us. That is part of the Dispensationalist mainstream thinking that everyone else had it tough, what with all those commandments and getting stoned for gathering firewood on Shabbat and all. But lucky us, we're under the dispensation of grace, so just answer the one multiple guess question right and you are set for eternity. Go out and get stoned, you're under grace! But I'm sorry, if you want to feel good about your sin I ain't the one you want to talk to! Now, if he could prove that to me, I'd be just one happy little gentile, just out there sinnin' my butt off! 'Cept I already done that, and I now look back and see the results of sin on me and others that I love, and I just can't go there any more. But the truth is a stranger, not welcome in most houses. Even a house of worship at times. Couldn't He have just called me to sit in agreement with a Messianic congregation somewhere? (whine, whine ... !) Ah, you're right of course. It is where I'm supposed to be for now. So I should just quit my snivel'n and get on with the task at hand. Dan C |
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But sometimes it ain't easy. I got into it with one of the prominent members at the AoG church last night because I insisted that repentance was part of the salvation process! He couldn't explain the process without it himself, and was mostly just trying to argue with me because he wants his feel-good religion. He wants to believe that anyone who says "Yes" to the eternal question has at that point repented and is saved. My point, and Pentecostal doctrine as well, is that acceptance is only the second step in the process. The Ruach (Holy Spirit to them) prompts us and quickens our heart. Then we either say yes or no. But the third step in this process is repentance. The Ruach looks at us to discern whether we have a truly repentant heart and then, on the basis of THAT question either accepts us or rejects us. 
