Post by Questor on Feb 13, 2014 18:39:12 GMT -8
I wrote this yesterday on a Christian forum where they were debating both faith and works, works or faith, which comes first, and what saves your soul.
I spoke only for Gentiles, and how Gentiles should view these things, as I don't know the process of becoming a Messianic Jew. This may accurately reflect that process as well.
Let me know if I covered it correctly, and where incorrect, why do you think so?
Salvation is both an event AND a process.
Only because of Yeshua are we able to be saved...we unbelievers who know nothing of what we are to do when we begin.
We hear the Word of YHVH in all of the Old Testament, and in the New Testament, in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, and all the Epistles, and in the hearing of the Word, we are given information that we can believe in:
That Yeshua is God, and He came to earth to live a perfect human life, and then, not having sinned, He would die, and take the burden of our sins, and give us His righteousness, eternal life, and a share in His inheritance in the Kingdom to come.
That by hearing alone, and by trusting the Word we were hearing, we would believe that we need a Savior; that Yeshua was that Savior; that He died for us; bore the curse due for our sins; then rose again; ascended into Heaven, and now sits by YHVH's side, at His right hand, in YHVH's throne, until it is time for Yeshua to return.
That on hearing the Word, trusting that what we heard was true, and believing that Yeshua is our Redeemer, we repent of our sins, confess Yeshua haMashiach as Lord God, Savior, Redeemer, and are baptized unto righteousness in Him.
Upon that baptism, we are given the seed of faith to reside in us through the Holy Spirit, and are changed, made able to come into obedience to Yeshua, to do as He said to do, which is to Love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, and our neighbor as ourself.
Then we pick up our Stake, and begin to walk in Yeshua's footsteps, obeying all the appropriate commandments in both the Old Covenant, and the New Covenant, even as the Holy Spirit gives us grace to do so.
These are the works that we do, and these works bear fruit.
Grace alone saves us, but upon being saved, we must respond with righteous action, good works, and obedience to YHVH.
And he who disobeys deliberately and continuously, and turns away from righteousness, and continues to turn away from righteousness will also turn away from grace, and offend the Holy Spirit.
Offending the Holy Spirit by deliberately turning away from grace and salvation by continuous and unending rebellion, disobedience and unrighteousness is the only unforgiveable sin. It takes a great deal of wickedness and unrighteousness to offend the Holy Spirit to the point where He seals you from repentance, searing your soul, and making it so that you cannot ever repent again. Among that continuous and unending rebellion, disobedience and unrighteousness is the refusal to hear the Word, and to act on it.
One may always be sure that when we fall, Yeshua is giving us a hand up, and continuously helps us to walk the path of righteousness by the realization of the moment of fear in which we are suddenly aware that we have sinned, for without grace, and the Word within us, we do not fear for the consequences of our rebellion and unrighteousness, and dis-obedience. The more completely we are in obedience, and walking in love, the more tender is our heart for the least sin, and for the prompting of the Holy Spirit within us to continue to repent at each mistake, pick up the fallen Stake, and step back onto the path of righteousness, walking in obedience, and love.
This is our work. Our work is to trust, and have faith in Yeshua, declare Him our Savior, to be baptized, and to walk in His footsteps, and to be obedient and to walk in love. These works bear fruit, and fruit is required of us.
Q
I spoke only for Gentiles, and how Gentiles should view these things, as I don't know the process of becoming a Messianic Jew. This may accurately reflect that process as well.
Let me know if I covered it correctly, and where incorrect, why do you think so?
Salvation is both an event AND a process.
Only because of Yeshua are we able to be saved...we unbelievers who know nothing of what we are to do when we begin.
We hear the Word of YHVH in all of the Old Testament, and in the New Testament, in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, and all the Epistles, and in the hearing of the Word, we are given information that we can believe in:
That Yeshua is God, and He came to earth to live a perfect human life, and then, not having sinned, He would die, and take the burden of our sins, and give us His righteousness, eternal life, and a share in His inheritance in the Kingdom to come.
That by hearing alone, and by trusting the Word we were hearing, we would believe that we need a Savior; that Yeshua was that Savior; that He died for us; bore the curse due for our sins; then rose again; ascended into Heaven, and now sits by YHVH's side, at His right hand, in YHVH's throne, until it is time for Yeshua to return.
That on hearing the Word, trusting that what we heard was true, and believing that Yeshua is our Redeemer, we repent of our sins, confess Yeshua haMashiach as Lord God, Savior, Redeemer, and are baptized unto righteousness in Him.
Upon that baptism, we are given the seed of faith to reside in us through the Holy Spirit, and are changed, made able to come into obedience to Yeshua, to do as He said to do, which is to Love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, and our neighbor as ourself.
Then we pick up our Stake, and begin to walk in Yeshua's footsteps, obeying all the appropriate commandments in both the Old Covenant, and the New Covenant, even as the Holy Spirit gives us grace to do so.
These are the works that we do, and these works bear fruit.
Grace alone saves us, but upon being saved, we must respond with righteous action, good works, and obedience to YHVH.
And he who disobeys deliberately and continuously, and turns away from righteousness, and continues to turn away from righteousness will also turn away from grace, and offend the Holy Spirit.
Offending the Holy Spirit by deliberately turning away from grace and salvation by continuous and unending rebellion, disobedience and unrighteousness is the only unforgiveable sin. It takes a great deal of wickedness and unrighteousness to offend the Holy Spirit to the point where He seals you from repentance, searing your soul, and making it so that you cannot ever repent again. Among that continuous and unending rebellion, disobedience and unrighteousness is the refusal to hear the Word, and to act on it.
One may always be sure that when we fall, Yeshua is giving us a hand up, and continuously helps us to walk the path of righteousness by the realization of the moment of fear in which we are suddenly aware that we have sinned, for without grace, and the Word within us, we do not fear for the consequences of our rebellion and unrighteousness, and dis-obedience. The more completely we are in obedience, and walking in love, the more tender is our heart for the least sin, and for the prompting of the Holy Spirit within us to continue to repent at each mistake, pick up the fallen Stake, and step back onto the path of righteousness, walking in obedience, and love.
This is our work. Our work is to trust, and have faith in Yeshua, declare Him our Savior, to be baptized, and to walk in His footsteps, and to be obedient and to walk in love. These works bear fruit, and fruit is required of us.
Q
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