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Post by alon on Oct 21, 2015 14:44:35 GMT -8
Just to be clear here, while the SoF of this forum does acknowledge modern day prophecy, I myself am extremely skeptical of any modern day prophets or prophecies. While it can happen, I believe it is really rare. So I will be one of those looking to tear any prophecies down. However I am not the one you need to worry about.
If you are setting yourself up as a modern day prophet, you will ultimately be accountable to God for anything you say. So please make absolutely sure in your own heart and mind before you speak.
I/we cannot gage who you are past what you tell us here. But you need to take stock and see if your personal life reflects the role of a prophet. Things like cursing would certainly say no.
Dan C
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Post by john75 on Oct 24, 2015 5:56:52 GMT -8
If there was to be no more prophecy, especially in such hard times as these, then you are not doing Adonai enough justice.
Now is when we well need revelation most of all. To attack someone who says they have a message for the congregation is perverse. If the prophecy comes true then the person's message is to be believed. If it doesn't, then that person is simply a dreamer.
If the prophet is from Adonai, then he will prevail, if not then he will not.
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Post by alon on Oct 24, 2015 8:43:18 GMT -8
If there was to be no more prophecy, especially in such hard times as these, then you are not doing Adonai enough justice. Now is when we well need revelation most of all. To attack someone who says they have a message for the congregation is perverse. If the prophecy comes true then the person's message is to be believed. If it doesn't, then that person is simply a dreamer. If the prophet is from Adonai, then he will prevail, if not then he will not.
1 Thessalonians 5:19-21 (ESV) Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good.
We do not just allow anyone to prophesy here and have it stand for anyone to accept or not as they please. I guarantee it will be tested; if not by me (and I will) then I can think of at least one other regular poster who tests everything. As he should.
Mat 16:4a (KJV) A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.
We don't need prophecies or signs. We need to be in the Word. And that is what you will be tested by. And if you claim the status of a prophet, you are setting yourself above the rest of us because the major role of a prophet is to insure others are in line with and following  . He calls others to repentance, and holds their sins before them. Yochanon the Immerser is a good example- remember where his head ended up? And the standard to which you will be held:
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 (CJB) You may be wondering, ‘How are we to know if a word has not been spoken by Adonai?’ When a prophet speaks in the name of Adonai, and the prediction does not come true — that is, the word is not fulfilled — then Adonai did not speak that word. The prophet who said it spoke presumptuously; you have nothing to fear from him.
Absolute 100% accuracy. If you cannot meet that standard, best to post your opinions as such rather than as prophecy.
The SoF here allows prophecy. It does not allow prophecy, or prophets to go unchallenged.
Dan C
1 John 4:1 (ESV) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
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Post by john75 on Oct 24, 2015 11:24:57 GMT -8
Very well Dan, i accept your admonishing this time, i shall be careful how i put things. I wasn't calling you perverse, only lamenting the lack of prophecy in these times.
Btw is not the sign of Jonas synonymous with repentance? Could this not be a two edged sword?
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Post by alon on Oct 24, 2015 17:06:41 GMT -8
Very well Dan, i accept your admonishing this time, i shall be careful how i put things. I wasn't calling you perverse, only lamenting the lack of prophecy in these times. Btw is not the sign of Jonas synonymous with repentance? Could this not be a two edged sword?
Be specific, as a prophet would know ...
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Post by john75 on Oct 25, 2015 12:39:37 GMT -8
Very well Dan, i accept your admonishing this time, i shall be careful how i put things. I wasn't calling you perverse, only lamenting the lack of prophecy in these times. Btw is not the sign of Jonas synonymous with repentance? Could this not be a two edged sword?
Be specific, as a prophet would know ...
Dan (in need of repentance, but that is a safe bet anyhow) CI'm saying is the sign of Jonas not also referring to the sign of repentance? A big part of what Yeshua preached? Not to mention John the baptist? |
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Post by alon on Oct 25, 2015 13:55:25 GMT -8
Are you saying you are calling us to repent?
Be specific, as a prophet would know ...
Dan (in need of repentance, but that is a safe bet anyhow) C I'm saying is the sign of Jonas not also referring to the sign of repentance? A big part of what Yeshua preached? Not to mention John the baptist?
So, let's say you and the other two here right now who think they are prophets put up something, and you label it a prophecy. Let's say it doesn't go against scripture, so it passes muster as at least being plausible. Then you make another post or two containing gross errors either theologically or historically, or are just based on mainC teachings that are false. That would destroy your credibility as a prophet; but more than that it would hold the rest of us up to be just another bunch of silly believers who can't get it right. Wow, what a witness we'd have then. So can you see the place you put us in if you do this? Do you see why I say you will be challenged and held to a 100% correct standard?
If God is speaking to you, then by all means listen. You can even put these things up here for discussion and either clarification, confirmation, or denial. Then we all have learned something. And who knows, God may want the corporate body to learn- and you to learn from the body. But neither you nor I nor anyone else here (with the exception of R'Reuel when he steps in) is the final arbiter of truth. Claiming the status of prophet would, however place you in exactly that position if you were left unchallenged.
God speaks through me here at times, usually to my utter amazement and no little bit of fear and trepidation. I know, I shouldn't be like that; but most of the time I'm on my own, so when it happens, it gets my attention. I take it seriously what I put up here, and pray about it all the time; something like "Oh God don't let me mess this up!" Sometimes I don't know what to say, and then it just flows. Is that prophesy? A "word from God?" Technically it is a word, but I never give it the status that implies, because it would be lifting myself up. The Hebrew words for pride are ga'avah and ge'eh. They start with the letter gimel, which is the sign fo a camel, Heb. gamal. In the negative connotation of the term the gimel gives a picture of a camels head, lifted up with self pride. Both words for pride connote lifting oneself up to show your own strength.
Pro 16:18 (KJV) Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Can you imagine how long my "Wrong" thread would be if I started giving out a "Word" now and again? Yeshua wouldn't be the only one on this forum that was crucified ... just the only One that got Hisself risned back up so far!
And I'm not the only one; I'm sure others here have gotten inspired at times. But we're believers. We expect this to be the case, and it's no big deal. Well, it is, but you know what I mean.
Anyhow, this post is less than inspired, so I'll just let it go. But I do hope you can see why I take the stance I do. And I'm the nice guy here. There is one other who is a regular barracuda about these things. He strikes without warning from the rocks and coral and bloodies the waters severely if he gets a good bite! He's left teeth marks on me (and additions to my "Wrong" thread) from time to time. Point is, we are all just trying to move forward, understand more and do what pleases Hashem. Past that, I take pride in the forum at large. My contributions are the result of being blessed to have access to 2 good Rabbis (even if somewhat limited) where most people have no access. I also sat at the feet of some of the best lay ministers the Christian world had growing up (though I didn't appreciate it then). And I like to talk- so here I am!
Dan  C
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Post by john75 on Oct 26, 2015 9:50:10 GMT -8
It seems that repentance from sin is and always has been the answer, and the way.
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