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Post by Frank T. Clark on Dec 22, 2013 9:05:46 GMT -8
We probably all agree the pagan Roman Catholic Christmas date and its traditions is wicked nonsense. However, our Savior was born on some day. We are only interested in what we find in the Bible. Do you believe the Bible provides any clues? The Bible is clearly not explicit. Do you suspect the first century believers were aware of the date? Is God's definition of the Holy Days prophetic of important events? Please vote and/or comment. You may pick all the options you wish.
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Post by alon on Dec 22, 2013 13:35:47 GMT -8
While I too think it was probably at Sukkot, I had to vote that we don't know. One reason we are not given the birthdate of Yeshua is it was not important to the Hebrews of that time. The date of one's death was far more important than your birth. So while we are given the account of the birth of HaMoshiach, it is in order to demonstrate the miraculous nature of the birth, Gods protection and provision, and the fact that Yeshua was conceived in the midst of and born into spiritual warfare. The actual date wasn't what we were meant to revere, but the fact of Messiah himself. My opinion, since you asked ...  Dan C |
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Post by Questor on Dec 22, 2013 21:56:59 GMT -8
While I too think it was probably at Sukkot, I had to vote that we don't know. One reason we are not given the birthdate of Yeshua is it was not important to the Hebrews of that time. The date of one's death was far more important than your birth. So while we are given the account of the birth of HaMoshiach, it is in order to demonstrate the miraculous nature of the birth, Gods protection and provision, and the fact that Yeshua was conceived in the midst of and born into spiritual warfare. The actual date wasn't what we were meant to revere, but the fact of Messiah himself. My opinion, since you asked ... Dan C I too feel it is plain...Sukkot...The feast of Tabernacles...YHVH in a tent of flesh. Not to mention that is appropriate time-wise with the conception of Yeshua six months after John the Immerser was conceived. I do try not to be offended at the celebration of the special observances by the Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic and Protestant Churches on what was originally Dies Natalis of Sol Invictus, the "Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun, which I think was also tied to Mithras, and the Druidism around the Winter Solstice. I celebrate these things quite contrarily...five candles in brass holders lit each night from the beginning of Channakah to New Years Eve, curved in a half circle around a brass cup, empty of wine. Five for the number of Grace, the candles lit in memory of the Light of the world, brass for the judgement that is countered by Yeshua, and the present hope of the wedding cup, yet to be filled and drunk by our Bridegroom. Oddly, I never even knew the symbolism of what I was using to celebrate the 'Season of Lights" when I decided upon it! I do love it when the Spirit steps in and does my thinking for me! We all dislike the darkness of this part of the winter season, and want lights to brighten the darkness. The blatant worship of material goods these days is ugly, expensive and unnecessary. It is also avoidable in whole or part, but I also begrudge no man what may be at least a gathering of friends and family on any day. I also think we all like giving (and receiving!), although making it just because of Xmas is a little  . I simply pray that the day of the 25th will be a day of joy for all, and if a nativity scene is honored...Bravo! |
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. I simply pray that the day of the 25th will be a day of joy for all, and if a nativity scene is honored...Bravo!
