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Post by Yedidyah on Oct 21, 2013 18:51:23 GMT -8
Shalom everyone! I have been doing some study on Melchizedek or Malki-Tzedek however you wish to spell it  We know the book of Hebrews is talking about Yom Kippur so this allows us to understand the book that much better. From what I have gathered Melchizedek looks more like a heavenly priesthood than a person. I decided to let everyone share if they wanted anything they have studied on the subject. That way it is more of an open study where everyone brings something, lets give it a try. Bless and Keep! Yedidiah |
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Post by jimmie on Oct 22, 2013 6:48:18 GMT -8
Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
The Lexical priesthood was a limited priesthood. You were only a priest if you were born of priestly parents and your children became priest after you. You began service at 25 or 30 years of age and stopped service at 50 years of age. The Melchisedec priesthood, which predated the Lexical priesthood, was restored by Jesus Christ has no such limitations. Someone can become a priest after the order of Melchisedec regardless of who their parents are and their children may or may not become a priest in the order of Melchisedec. The time of service is not limited by age. The Melchisedec priesthood has always existed and its’ High Priest has always existed. The Lexical priesthood was/is a supplement and subpart of the Melchisedec priesthood. Witness that two of Aaron’s sons were rejected from the priesthood when they offered strange fire. Also witness that Samuel, of the tribe of Ephriam, operated as a priest. His sons were also rejected. Anyone who ministers (preachers, teachers, evangelist) in the church does so under the Melchisedec priesthood.
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Post by Yedidyah on Oct 22, 2013 8:07:01 GMT -8
Yes the Levites were from a genealogical background being born into the priesthood. Yeshua is the High Priest of the Melchizedek order from what I gathered. It works the same as not all Levites were high priests but you had to be a Levite to be high priest.
The earthly temple was a copy of the heavenly temple so we know there must be a heavenly priesthood that is the original.
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Post by alon on Oct 23, 2013 21:37:35 GMT -8
... From what I have gathered Melchizedek looks more like a heavenly priesthood than a person. There are so many opinions on who Malki-Tzedek was it is difficult to sort them out; everything from a pagan king to a Christophany, a priest/king to a myth. All I know is the  said he was real, a priest and a king and apparently one who worshiped Elohim (big E in English!). He and Avraham broke bread and shared wine, which means they entered into a covenant relationship that in our culture is difficult to fathom. Avraham acknowledged Malki-Tzadek's authority by tithing to him. So, if there is a counterpart in the heavens for what happens here on earth, especially concerning things of a priestly nature, what does this meeting of godly men mean? What really happened here? It did, after all, interrupt the account of the coming of the King of S'dom to Avraham's camp- Just as Yeshua, our eternal cohen according to the order of Malki-Tzedek interrupted the plans of ha satan to rule forever here on earth. Is this just a type of HaMoshiach, or is there more we should glean from this? I'm asking because I really don't know. I'd just like to understand as much as I can of the original account in the TNK before I try to decipher the book of Hebrews or other references to the Heavenly Priesthood of Yeshua. Dan C |
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Post by Miykhael on Oct 25, 2013 8:07:35 GMT -8
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Post by Frank T. Clark on Nov 3, 2013 9:29:53 GMT -8
I don't agree with any of the poll options. My studies and discussions have led me to the conclusion it is probably Shem, the son of Noah. The descriptions of ancestry from the Bible are because his ancestry was from before the flood. The genealogical order lists him as the ancestor of the line of Abraham and indicates he was still alive. He was the oldest man of the righteousness line of the time. We are all priests who serve God.
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Post by Yedidyah on Nov 3, 2013 10:33:58 GMT -8
I don't agree with any of the poll options. My studies and discussions have led me to the conclusion it is probably Shem, the son of Noah. The descriptions of ancestry from the Bible are because his ancestry was from before the flood. The genealogical order lists him as the ancestor of the line of Abraham and indicates he was still alive. He was the oldest man of the righteousness line of the time. We are all priests who serve God. The poll was meant to say Shem son of Noah, I will try to edit that. We are called to be a nation of priests but not all of us can do what the Cohanim and Levites were called to. There is a covenant specific with them that unless you are with a blood decedent background you will never have a place as a Cohen or Levite. Hebrews 7:1-3 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) 7 This Malki-Tzedek, king of Shalem, a Cohen of God Ha‘Elyon, met Avraham on his way back from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him; 2 also Avraham gave him a tenth of everything.
Now first of all, by translation of his name, he is “king of righteousness”; and then he is also king of Shalem, which means “king of peace.”
3 There is no record of his father, mother, ancestry, birth or death; rather, like the Son of God, he continues as a Cohen for all time.
So are you saying that Shem never died? And that Shem is now and always a Cohen for all time? Even with the flood we can see who his father was so what is being said here?
Another verse we should be looking at.
Psalm 110:4
4 Adonai has sworn it,
and he will never retract —
“You are a Cohen forever,
to be compared with Malki-Tzedek.”
Shalom,
Yedidyah |
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Post by Yedidyah on Nov 3, 2013 10:44:37 GMT -8
Shalom!
So the polls cannot be edited once started, sorry for the typo on that. It is meant to say Shem not Ham, again I apologize.
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Post by Yedidyah on Nov 10, 2013 10:55:56 GMT -8
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Post by jimmie on Nov 21, 2013 6:48:08 GMT -8
My studies and discussions have led me to the conclusion it is probably Shem, the son of Noah. Why is Melchizedek assumed to be Shem? Terah, Serug, Reu, Eber, Salah, and Arphaxad where also alive when Abraham meet with Melchizedek. Maybe it was one of them. Or someone llike Job who's fathers and children aren't recorded for us. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 19:38:19 GMT -8
I thought that Melchizedek was referred to as Yeshua the Messiah, but not yet fully known at that time.
In Hebrews does it not tell us that Yeshua is referred to as the High Priest?
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Post by mosheli on Dec 4, 2021 17:39:18 GMT -8
Mosheli said:
Just a minor side-comment. I'm not sure Shem died 25 yrs before Abraham. ....
There are reasons for thinking that Melchizedek was likely Shem. ....
Alon said:
Timelines can get a bit tricky. I have a wall chart of Biblical History that puts the death of Shem at 2158BCE and Abraham's life from 2008 to 2153BCE.
I've heard of this theory, but never seen any really compelling evidence for it.
I thought I would just give my reasons for the theory here just for interest.
Firstly I think Melchizedek was a real person not an angel or the angel of the Lord. Abraham gave MZ a tenth of everything, and I can't see what use all that stuff would be to an angel or pre-incarnation Jesus. Yeshua is priest after order of MZ so he doesn't seem to literally be the historical MZ, and Paul only figuratively equates them. And so if MZ is a real person then he must come somewhere between the Flood and Abraham.
Yeshua/Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchizedek. I take this as likely also meaning that he is descended from Melchizedek. I searched all through the biblical books and the table of nations for possible candidate matches and it seem that MZ is most probably Shemite and direct ancestry of Yeshua, and the only best candidate is Shem. (This might also be supported by comparison of Aaronic Levites as high priest to the 12 Tribes of Israel/Jacob. So MZ would be priest of similar closely related tribes? And MZ seems to be a greater elder contemporary of Abraham.)
In some Jewish sources like Jubilees Shem's wife's name is Sedegetelebab, which has the same sedeg/zedek word in it.
Shem was still alive in Abraham's time in some chronologies. There were 290/350/420 years from flood to Terah/Abram in the Massoretic Text and in Josephus, and Shem lived 500 or 502 yrs after the flood.
MZ having no parents/ancestry could match post-flood Shem whose preflood history is cut off by the flood. I don't think MZ not having parents was literal, only literary & symbolic/figurative.
Melchizedek was priest of most high God (El Eliyon), which is maybe similar to Noah's prophecy/blessing/cursing in Genesis/Bereshith 9 in which he said the Lord God of Shem. The same verses mention Canaan, and so it might be a hint/clue for Shem being in Canaan in Genesis 14?
Among the candidates for MZ in Mesopotamian is Meskalamdug/Meskalamshar of Ur 0/1 dynasty whose name is name similar to both Melchizedek or melek Salem and Shem (with M-/Me-/Mes- prefix), and there are other possible matches for Shem in the same dynasty like Shubad (Shem father?)
Fasold says that Jewish tradition or Midrash says the bones of Adam were placed in the cave of Shem or the place of the skull.
Yeshua is a priest after the order of MZ (Shem?) In some sources Jesus is like a reincarnation of Seth. In a Jewish source Seth, Moses and Samuel are 3 reincarnations. Shem is also called Seth.
Though I can't be sure MZ is Shem as there some seeming possible doubts such as it may be strange/odd Moses/author using a different name (Melchizedek) if he was the same person as Shem, and I'm not sure there is biblical and/or extra-biblical evidence for Shem having been in Canaan. If he is not Shem then he might just be some obscure figure, or he could be pre-incarnation Yeshua like the angel of the Lord.
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