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Post by messianicmama on May 3, 2013 12:19:25 GMT -8
What type of Messianic believer are you? Doesn't have to be a perfect fit but which one is the closest? Why do you identify as such? What does the identity mean to you?
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Post by messianicmama on May 3, 2013 12:24:26 GMT -8
One law is the closest for me, mostly because I'm  Observant but not 2-House or Jewish. Lol. I believe there is one law for all Gd's children and ethnicity is irrelevant in his kingdom. I think we can learn lots from Judaism and Christianity but I think religiously speaking it's best if we don't try to make them comfortable by watering down our theology. Anyways, that's just me. |
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Post by yiska on May 3, 2013 13:38:18 GMT -8
As for me I am Messianic Jew, living the Observant life and Hebrew roots. I want to live my life as closely as possible to the Jewish way of life.  |
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Post by Frank T. Clark on May 3, 2013 15:48:07 GMT -8
I picked Hebrew Roots Christian. Very sensitive question for me. I struggle to know what labels fit me. I know exactly who I am but how to label my belief to explain to others. The word "Christian" makes me uncomfortable because it covers so many errors. I am NOT Messianic or Jewish. Hebrew Roots is cool. Observant (former Christian) is probably most accurate. |
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Post by messianicmama on May 3, 2013 19:58:36 GMT -8
I picked Hebrew Roots Christian. Very sensitive question for me. I struggle to know what labels fit me. I know exactly who I am but how to label my belief to explain to others. The word "Christian" makes me uncomfortable because it covers so many errors. I am NOT Messianic or Jewish. Hebrew Roots is cool. Observant (former Christian) is probably most accurate. I hear ya! |
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Post by alon on May 4, 2013 14:16:41 GMT -8
I can't really vote, because non of these categories describe me. I'm somewhere between One Law/Messianic Jew and Christian, with a healthy dose of Hebrew Roots in the mix! In all honesty, much of this is a reaction against the idiocies of dispensationalist and replacement theology teachings and attitudes in mainstream churches. Scripture has undeniably been misinterpreted and misapplied over the last two millennia, and I'm looking where I need to set it right. Where has God called me to be, and what is He calling me to do? I suppose I identify somewhat with every group you list other than the Two House craziness, which I lump in with the Sacred Namers and most cults based on the Messianic movement. However, I am seeing a disturbing trend in all the listed parts of the Messianism to again displace the Jews. It's all very well intentioned, but just as wrong this time as it was the last time. God called the Jews to be Jews, and He made me a gentile; and a grafted branch still bears the same kind of leaves and fruit as it did on the old tree. We should be keeping much more of the , but if we want it all, then we should in fact take on the mantle of the whole , starting with ritual circumcision. I'm not convinced we are called to do this, however. I think we should observe the feasts, but not as the Jews do. For example, going to a demonstration seder is good to learn from. But really, we should look into the biblical practices instead of just copying the modern seder. We need to understand the feasts as prophecy, not just as traditions. So, to describe myself: searching, confused, concerned- open yet grounded, questioning but with discernment, active in both Messianism and mainstream Christianity, in all things looking to move the standards back to God's likeness, prayerfully looking for direction, passionate for the truth. Dan C |
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Post by Frank T. Clark on May 7, 2013 9:01:16 GMT -8
It would be nice if we could give a thumbs up to a reply. I would certainly give Dan a thumbs up. We all need to obey the commands of God found in the . When we respond to God's call to be one of those "which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth", I believe we will follow all the to the best of our understanding. |
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Post by jimmie on May 7, 2013 9:34:34 GMT -8
I am to Christian for my Jewish friends.
I am to Jewish for my Christian friends.
I may be a speckled bird.
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Post by Micha'el on May 17, 2013 22:55:04 GMT -8
Shalom All, It's never easy to make a statement about what you believe when it comes to a right-on statement about faith in Yeshua. So we all need to do our best. Remembering that our words could be maligned or even miss-interpreted. Keeping it simple is the best path I would say. Micha'el  |
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Post by Albedineity on May 18, 2013 18:59:49 GMT -8
It would be nice if we could give a thumbs up to a reply. I would certainly give Dan a thumbs up. We all need to obey the commands of God found in the . When we respond to God's call to be one of those "which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth", I believe we will follow all the to the best of our understanding. I agree with this. As for myself, when presented with such a question, I most often tell people that I am a follower of Messiah, because I want people to understand that I follow Him, and yet at the same time not immediately associate this with all the other denominations. I do not know much about the different names given, so I cannot really select one or the other. I am not really one to label myself, but if I find those who seem to have an understanding of scriptures and following truth it makes me glad, and many Messianics do seem to have a good understanding of the truth of and I have found many encouraging articles and eye opening things by these different places. Pretty much, I just feel like a sheep seeking the Good Shepherd, and try to follow Him whithersoever He goeth. |
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Post by lou on Sept 9, 2015 22:45:24 GMT -8
I know Yah n submitted to His spirit. I trust Mjs tho i like karrarite thoughts more dependant on Yah than man. I am a daughter n servant of the KING. I seek to worship Him in the oldest n purest form possible. Glory to G-d alone.
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Post by alon on Sept 10, 2015 8:33:12 GMT -8
Another old thread (good to see these revived!). And this one shows how we change and grow over time- or at least I did. Since I last wrote here I have found my place. I am a proselyte to Messianic Judaism; all in! I identify most closely with the Zealots, a sub-sect of the Pharisees, with some leanings to the Sicarii (extremists among the Zealots). I do however present this in general terms, as I still believe it would be difficult to identify absolutely with 1st cen CE religious and political groups; and the two were inseparable at the time, politics and religion one and the same. I do also believe our religion should drive our politics today, the separation of church and state meaning government does not interfere with our religion and not the other way around. Even then in extreme cases such as cults like the Moonies and Jim Jones or terrorists like Muslims (and yes I mean ALL Muslims, as terrorism is part of their basic religion) the government should be free to act. Ironically, my identifying even obliquely with the Sicarii would then put me on a government watchlist! Oh well ... 
Dan (But I'm NOT a terrorist!!!  ) C
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Post by Questor on Sept 11, 2015 4:31:04 GMT -8
Another old thread (good to see these revived!). And this one shows how we change and grow over time- or at least I did. Since I last wrote here I have found my place. I am a proselyte to Messianic Judaism; all in! I identify most closely with the Zealots, a sub-sect of the Pharisees, with some leanings to the Sicarii (extremists among the Zealots). I do however present this in general terms, as I still believe it would be difficult to identify absolutely with 1st cen CE religious and political groups; and the two were inseparable at the time, politics and religion one and the same. I do also believe our religion should drive our politics today, the separation of church and state meaning government does not interfere with our religion and not the other way around. Even then in extreme cases such as cults like the Moonies and Jim Jones or terrorists like Muslims (and yes I mean ALL Muslims, as terrorism is part of their basic religion) the government should be free to act. Ironically, my identifying even obliquely with the Sicarii would then put me on a government watchlist! Oh well ...
Dan (But I'm NOT a terrorist!!! ) C
And I have settled in comfortably somewhere between being a Ger Toshav, and being on my way to becoming a Ger Tsaddik, adding on line by line, precept by precept as the Ruach haKodesh leads me to.
I also believe that our views of Israel and Mashiach must inform our political opinion, and am at complete odds with the current American Administration on it's dealings with the Middle East, and Israel, and that our money and civic actions should support our interests in Israel being a strong and undivided state, with America resuming her full support of Israel.
I have also, foolishly, signed up for another year of both Biblical Hebrew, and Modern Hebrew at the same time, and wondering why I am so fascinated with the holy language, particularly when I have no desire to go to Israel until Yeshua returns. Of course, Abba may have other ideas but not being apt to convert, I cannot imagine how that would work.
I want to fulfill in full the prophecies that the Gentiles will assist the Israelites back to their own place as I was born, and remain a Gentile, however much I honor the Shabbats and Moedims, and take hold of the covenant as Isaiah has said:
Isaiah 56:1-8 (CJB)
1 Here is what Adonai says: “Observe justice, do what is right, for my salvation is close to coming, my righteousness to being revealed.”
2 Happy is the person who does this, anyone who grasps it firmly, who keeps Shabbat and does not profane it, and keeps himself from doing any evil.
3 A foreigner joining Adonai should not say, “Adonai will separate me from his people”; likewise the eunuch should not say, “I am only a dried-up tree.”
4 For here is what Adonai says: “As for the eunuchs who keep my Shabbats, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant:
5 in my house, within my walls, I will give them power and a name greater than sons and daughters; I will give him an everlasting name that will not be cut off.
6 “And the foreigners who join themselves to Adonai to serve him, to love the name of Adonai, and to be his workers, all who keep Shabbat and do not profane it, and hold fast to my covenant,
7 I will bring them to my holy mountain and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all peoples.”
8 Adonai Elohim says, he who gathers Isra’el’s exiles: “There are yet others I will gather, besides those gathered already.”
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 12, 2015 9:50:06 GMT -8
I just call myself Messianic. From this point, I usually say something along the lines that I am more concerned with Israel than the "church". If it feels helpful, I may gently state at some point that I think there never should have been a "church". In general, I try to be direct but understanding. I don't have the energy or desire to bicker with people, so I don't beat around the bush. However, if someone is open to considering a Messianic perspective, I want them to feel comfortable and welcome to ask about it. Thus far, I have only had to have this discussion with Gentiles. I am not sure how I would explain myself to a Jewish person. I imagine a lot of eye rolling on their part, and a lot of praying on mine.
This is an interesting question and, for me, relates to something I have been studying. I was comparing and contrasting the responses of
1) the Jewish people asking not to hear G-d's voice at Mount Sinai
2) the Gadarenes asking Yeshua to leave after He healed the Gadarene man
3) The Gadarene man Yeshua healed who wanted to follow him
The peoples at Mt. Sinai simply couldn't handle the voice of G-d. They rightly asked not to hear Him, but committed themselves to obey Him nonetheless. They wanted Him, but couldn't be too near Hm
The Gadarenes begged Yeshua to leave, and wanted nothing to do with him. They were just full of evil. The Gadarene man stayed next to Yeshua and asked to follow him.
The hard part for me was that Yeshua told him no; to go back to his home and show people what G-d had done for him. Although I understood Yeshua's purpose for the Gadarene man, it used to bother me that Yehshua didn't let him follow him. For me, it hearkened back to Naomi and Ruth. I just wanted to see the man attach himself to Israel in that "entreat me not to leave you" way so it left me unfulfilled.
Now, after considering it as compared to the people at Mount Sinai, I love this story. First through Yeshua, G-d gave us enough reason to not only be near him, but to want to be. The Gadarene man could cling to G-d with love and joy. Finally we are given a way to more fully love G-d, no space required. I love that!
Second, just like the Jewish people at Mount Sinai, this one Gadarene man needed no explanation and simply obeyed. And he obeyed to the point that he turned around and went back to an evil city to be a witness. One man in that city, with enough faith to stand alone, showing that city what G-d has done for him. I finally realized the benefit for the man. He didn't get to follow Yeshua physically, but he did cling to him. And Yeshua gave him enough faith to cling to him spiritually. It just filled me with a whole new appreciation for this man and this passage.
I love Yeshua who let's us hold onto him, regardless of where we have to go or where we have come from. We have our place. We just have to faithfully claim it and know Yeshua is the only source of validation for any of us!
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Post by bloodcoveredprincess on Jul 28, 2018 14:00:38 GMT -8
 oh my goodness.... I don't even understand the categories..... if anyone would like to explain them or point me in the right direction to find out what they mean that would be cool
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Observant but not 2-House or Jewish. Lol. I believe there is one law for all Gd's children and ethnicity is irrelevant in his kingdom. I think we can learn lots from Judaism and Christianity but I think religiously speaking it's best if we don't try to make them comfortable by watering down our theology. Anyways, that's just me. 
) C
oh my goodness.... I don't even understand the categories..... if anyone would like to explain them or point me in the right direction to find out what they mean that would be cool
