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Post by tonga on Mar 12, 2015 11:39:17 GMT -8
I have never heard of the OJB ("Orthodox Jewish Bible"). What is it exactly? I have not seen it in person, but have read about it and seen excerpts from it. It seems to be the NT with transliterated Hebrew and Yiddish mixed into the English. I personally find it hard to read that way. I think it was written by a Christian Jew (Michael Brown?) so the name Orthodox Jewish is a bit of a misnomer, at least from my perspective. |
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Post by tonga on Mar 12, 2015 11:41:17 GMT -8
That sounds very Chassidish.
Well, Neturei Karta live in Israel too and I don't consider them to be any big lovers of Israel.
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Post by alon on Mar 12, 2015 17:50:22 GMT -8
I have never heard of the OJB ("Orthodox Jewish Bible"). What is it exactly?
www.biblegateway.com/
Or you can order a copy from Amazon.
Dan C
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Post by alon on Mar 12, 2015 18:58:07 GMT -8
I have never heard of the OJB ("Orthodox Jewish Bible"). What is it exactly? I have not seen it in person, but have read about it and seen excerpts from it. It seems to be the NT with transliterated Hebrew and Yiddish mixed into the English. I personally find it hard to read that way.
I often read from it alongside my NAS, which is the Bible I use most. It gives a different perspective on the scriptures.
Dan C
edit: it is, btw, the entire Bible, not just the B'rit Chadashah. |
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Post by fschmidt on Mar 12, 2015 20:44:16 GMT -8
That sounds very Chassidish. Yes, Chabad, which pretty much seems to dominate these days. Obviously this author isn't like that. He is liberal which means he wants universal values, which I oppose. He wants this for Israel. But really, I don't care so much what people like or what they hate, it is more important that they are honest. Honesty is increasingly rare these days and virtually extinct among liberals, but I do recognize an honest liberal when I see one. I suggest you read the book and judge for yourself. |
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Post by fschmidt on Mar 12, 2015 21:48:59 GMT -8
Yochanan 10:22-23 (OJB) Then the Chag (Festival) of Channukah took place in Yerushalayim. It was winter. And Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was walking around in the Beis Hamikdash in the area called Ulam Shlomo (Solomon’s Colonnade).So Yeshua kept Channukah, which was almost certainly a Rabbinic tradition. Many things may have been too ordinary or mundane to place in the Gospels. However we may infer that Yeshua did some things from looking at His closest followers. This is the strongest of your arguments, so I looked into it. In fact Hanukkah is not celebrated by the Karaites. But was it specifically rabbinic (of the Pharisees) or was it a general Jewish custom at the time of Jesus? In researching this, I found this: "That is the norm introduced by the Pharisees: that each day an additional candle be lit. But the Sadducees argued that one should start with a full menorah, and take away one candle each day. As is usually the case, Judaism sided with the Pharisees." www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.561119This means that the Sadducees celebrated Hanukkah but in a different way. So it appears that Hanukkah was a general Jewish tradition at that time. |
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Post by alon on Mar 12, 2015 23:11:25 GMT -8
Yochanan 10:22-23 (OJB) Then the Chag (Festival) of Channukah took place in Yerushalayim. It was winter. And Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was walking around in the Beis Hamikdash in the area called Ulam Shlomo (Solomon’s Colonnade).So Yeshua kept Channukah, which was almost certainly a Rabbinic tradition. Many things may have been too ordinary or mundane to place in the Gospels. However we may infer that Yeshua did some things from looking at His closest followers. This is the strongest of your arguments, so I looked into it. In fact Hanukkah is not celebrated by the Karaites. But was it specifically rabbinic (of the Pharisees) or was it a general Jewish custom at the time of Jesus? In researching this, I found this: "That is the norm introduced by the Pharisees: that each day an additional candle be lit. But the Sadducees argued that one should start with a full menorah, and take away one candle each day. As is usually the case, Judaism sided with the Pharisees." www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.561119This means that the Sadducees celebrated Hanukkah but in a different way. So it appears that Hanukkah was a general Jewish tradition at that time. 
Dan C
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Post by fschmidt on Mar 13, 2015 9:29:48 GMT -8
Your logic doesn't quite follow there. Rabbis disagreed all the time, especially Rabbis Hillel and Shammai! So if anything your own argument would support that it IS a Rabbinic tradition!
I have heard that Shammai also wanted to decrease the candles lit. Hillel and Shammai were rabbinic, so this is a rabbinic debate. But the Sadducees were not rabbinic, so if they were also discussing Hanukkah practice, this shows that Hanukkah was a general Jewish custom, not a specifically rabbinic custom. |
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Post by alon on Mar 13, 2015 22:11:23 GMT -8
... In researching this, I found this: "That is the norm introduced by the Pharisees: that each day an additional candle be lit. But the Sadducees argued that one should start with a full menorah, and take away one candle each day. As is usually the case, Judaism sided with the Pharisees." www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.561119This means that the Sadducees celebrated Hanukkah but in a different way. So it appears that Hanukkah was a general Jewish tradition at that time.
Regardless, my second point was a very strong inductive argument, which must also be dealt with if you are going to draw any sound conclusions here.
Dan C
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