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Post by alon on Mar 26, 2013 11:09:08 GMT -8
I was looking at information on ha shatan, trying to make sure my understanding was correct that he is never given a proper name since the fall; now I'm questioning if we ever were given a name before the fall or after!
Isaiah 14:12 (KJV)- How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
But this is the same version that got everyone calling him "Satan" with an arbitrary (and incorrect) capital.
The English Standard Version uses the English translation for the "name", but capitalizes the words, for some reason.
Isaiah 14:12 (ESV)- "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!
In my admittedly uneducated opinion, both the KJV and ESV give ha shatan a legitimacy he doesn't deserve.
Isaiah 14:12 (CJB)- "How did you come to fall from the heavens, morning star, son of the dawn? How did you come to be cut to the ground, conqueror of nations?
Isaiah 14:12 (NAS)- "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn ! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations !
Isaiah 14:12 (YLT)- How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
The Complete Jewish Bible, New American Standard and especially Young's Literal Translation all use English terms without capitalization. This leads me to the conclusion we were never given ha shatan's name.
My understanding is that in ancient mid and near-eastern cultures, names were very important. To have your name stricken was an insult of the highest order. To lose one's name was to lose your identity as a being.
When ha shatan fell, apparently God removed his name, struck it from the record. Man, because we are more comfortable with naming things, apparently fell prey to ha shatan's desire for a legitimate identity and arbitrarily started capitalizing descriptions of the one God had removed all legitimacy from.
Since ancient Hebrew doesn't use caps, and since names then had meaning, I suppose it could be argued the terms "shatan" and "lucifer" were names. But I don't think so.
Dan C
Isaiah 14:12 (KJV)- How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
But this is the same version that got everyone calling him "Satan" with an arbitrary (and incorrect) capital.
The English Standard Version uses the English translation for the "name", but capitalizes the words, for some reason.
Isaiah 14:12 (ESV)- "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!
In my admittedly uneducated opinion, both the KJV and ESV give ha shatan a legitimacy he doesn't deserve.
Isaiah 14:12 (CJB)- "How did you come to fall from the heavens, morning star, son of the dawn? How did you come to be cut to the ground, conqueror of nations?
Isaiah 14:12 (NAS)- "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn ! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations !
Isaiah 14:12 (YLT)- How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
The Complete Jewish Bible, New American Standard and especially Young's Literal Translation all use English terms without capitalization. This leads me to the conclusion we were never given ha shatan's name.
My understanding is that in ancient mid and near-eastern cultures, names were very important. To have your name stricken was an insult of the highest order. To lose one's name was to lose your identity as a being.
When ha shatan fell, apparently God removed his name, struck it from the record. Man, because we are more comfortable with naming things, apparently fell prey to ha shatan's desire for a legitimate identity and arbitrarily started capitalizing descriptions of the one God had removed all legitimacy from.
Since ancient Hebrew doesn't use caps, and since names then had meaning, I suppose it could be argued the terms "shatan" and "lucifer" were names. But I don't think so.
Dan C
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