Could You Repeat That?

[zionlion]

G: And remember Moses, in the laws of keeping Kosher, never cook a calf in its mother's milk.
It is cruel.

Moses: Ohhhhhh! So you are saying we should never eat milk and meat together. G: No, what I'm saying is, never cook a calf in its mother's milk. Moses: Oh, Lord forgive my ignorance! What you are really saying is we should wait six hours after eating meat to eat milk so the two are not in our stomachs. G: No, Moses, what I'm saying is, don't cook a calf in its mother's milk!!! Moses: Oh, Lord! Please don't strike me down for my stupidity! What you mean is we should have a separate set of dishes for milk and a separate set for meat and if we make a mistake we have to bury
that dish outside....

G: Ah, do whatever you want....

[lawrenceofisrael]

nice one and surely should make us think about what the most high really wants and what man haved added with no right.

again thats a good one.

[zionlion]

Thanks Lorenz,

Putting fences around may be fine, but sometimes they are so high that they obscure our view of , and maintaining the fences becomes the first priority.

Shalom and blessings.

[David Ben Yosef]

Hey Z, for the sake of clarity, could you give us an example of a "fence?"


Shalom

[zionlion]

Sure.
Just go to the top.

Admittedly, it makes little sense, but that seems to be the way of these things.

Two more:
The prohibition against touching a match on Shabbos (as a precaution against kindling a fire).

The prohibition against drinking wine touched by a non-Jew or eating food cooked by a non-Jew (as a precaution against inter-marriage).

[Both from: matzav.com] - ( matzav.com/parshas-acharei-mos-kedoshim-fences-of-holiness )

[tonga]

Dec 4, 2010 10:48:37 GMT -8 @lawrenceofisrael said:

nice one and surely should make us think about what the most high really wants and what man haved added with no right.

again thats a good one.

What does G-d want? Obviously Jews interpret differently than
do Christians.
Why is this commandment repeated three times in the ?
Why not just once?

[David Ben Yosef]

Dec 5, 2010 17:46:43 GMT -8 zionlion said:

Sure.
Just go to the top.

Admittedly, it makes little sense, but that seems to be the way of these things.

Two more:
The prohibition against touching a match on Shabbos (as a precaution against kindling a fire).

The prohibition against drinking wine touched by a non-Jew or eating food cooked by a non-Jew (as a precaution against inter-marriage).

[Both from: matzav.com] - ( matzav.com/parshas-acharei-mos-kedoshim-fences-of-holiness )

Thank you for the clarification. Now I think I know what you mean by a fence. I disagree with you, but an explanation as to why would be too exhaustive. It wouldn't make a difference anyway, I'm sure.



Shalom

[tonga]

Dec 5, 2010 17:46:43 GMT -8 zionlion said:

The prohibition against touching a match on Shabbos (as a precaution against kindling a fire).

These items are muktzah. They are items that are used during the week, during non-holy time,and something
that might lead to a shabbas violation. Why would you want to touch something that has no use on shabbas,
is not set aside for it, or something that might cause you to break law? You might think only an idiot
would accidently light a match on shabbas, but I've seen people forget and flip on a light switch- so it's something that happens.

The prohibition against drinking wine touched by a non-Jew

Only if it is non-mevushal wine (wine that isn't cooked, which was frequently offered to idols in ye olde days.)
It is also supposed to be handled only by a shomer shabbas Jew.

or eating food cooked by a non-Jew (as a precaution against inter-marriage).

Bishul nohcri (food cooked by non-Jews} is also in place because you can't trust their kashrut standards. What is wrong with either of those things?

A gezeirah (rabbinical fence) exists to keep us from breaking law. We hold the so dear we take extreme precautions not to break it.
I don't know why it's such an issue for people.

[zionlion]

And if an idiot did accidentally light a match on Shabbat, would our G-d send down fire and brimstone upon his/her head?

I hope you're not asking me to believe that using a light switch on Shabbat is sin.

There's nothing wrong with rabbinic fences if that's how you want to live - and if they don't contradict .
But if you know someone whom the fences have kept from breaking , please let us know.
I'd like an autograph.

[David Ben Yosef]

Dec 7, 2010 15:57:29 GMT -8 zionlion said:

And if an idiot did accidentally light a match on Shabbat, would our G-d send down fire and brimstone upon his/her head?

HaShem doesn't send down fire, and brimstone when we lie, commit adultery, or murder either. So I guess it's okay to do those things, isn't it?

Yeah, I know that sounds rediculous, but so does your comment, Z.



Shalom

[zionlion]

Of course my comment is ridiculous.
It matches the concept.

If I actually thought that the G-d of the universe was angered by using a light switch on the Sabbath, I'd throw my Bible in the trash and look for the nearest bar.

And thanks, David.
I know I can always count on a kind word from you.