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Post by zionlion on Aug 19, 2010 16:03:44 GMT -8
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Post by tonga on Aug 19, 2010 20:44:00 GMT -8
I've had a few friends who have made aliyah via Nefesh b' Nefesh- it's a great organization. After I retire-which hopefully will be in the near future-I will make aliyah although I won't live in Israel full time. I'll probably be there half the year and the other half here. |
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Post by zionlion on Aug 20, 2010 11:56:08 GMT -8
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Post by tonga on Aug 21, 2010 21:05:47 GMT -8
You wouldn't want to live there full time? ;D It wouldn't be practical to do so. I would still probably work a month or two a year, and I couldn't do it in Israel. I don't think I could take the heat in the summer. And I don't know how much time you've spent in Israel-but it's sometimes a tough culture to deal with. |
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Post by zionlion on Aug 22, 2010 8:59:52 GMT -8
Are you saying that Israelis don't often manifest the fruit of the Spirit?  I've never been to Israel. I could be happy living there, spending the rest of my life volunteering on archaeological digs and working the vineyards at the grape harvest (and enjoying the wine). |
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Post by tonga on Aug 22, 2010 16:53:37 GMT -8
[quote author=zionlion board=books thread=2887 post=13355 time=1282496392 I could be happy living there, spending the rest of my life volunteering on archaeological digs and working the vineyards at the grape harvest (and enjoying the wine). [/quote] Yeah, sounds nice but you need to make a living if you want to be a year round resident.  |
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Post by zionlion on Aug 22, 2010 18:02:25 GMT -8
Yeah, there's always a catch. But I can dream, can't I?  |
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Post by zionlion on Aug 24, 2010 14:58:03 GMT -8
Would you like to elaborate on why Israeli culture is sometimes tough to deal with or would you rather not go there? |
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Post by tonga on Aug 24, 2010 18:42:45 GMT -8
Would you like to elaborate on why Israeli culture is sometimes tough to deal with or would you rather not go there? While the people can be wonderful, especially in times of need, they are also incredibly rude. It can be tough to take after awhile. There is also a big issue with corruption, especially in the government. It is the standard, when dealing with government for such things as building permits, to have to hire someone to act as a intermediary for you..and part of his job is to bribe the right people to get what you want. It's very distressing that this kind of thing is common in G-d's land. |
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Post by zionlion on Aug 25, 2010 12:53:30 GMT -8
I can understand why there might be rudeness considering the constant stress the people have been under for so long. When you grow up in the synagogue, what is taught about human relations; in the sense of how people are to treat one another? Or would it vary from congregation to congregation? (BTW, this is why I mentioned the fruit of the Spirit awhile back. One of the benefits of the fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 36:27, and others, is that G-d enables us to have the Ruach indwell us. We can have the very nature of Him within us. Yeshua taught that the whole of  can be summed up in this: love G-d with all your heart, soul and strength; keep His commandments and love other people as you love yourself. I know you don't accept the books after Malachi, but if you would read Paul's letter to the Galatians, Chap. 5, verse 22, you will see that people indwelled with the Ruach will exhibit love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control because these are parts of the nature of G-d. G-d is love. We are flesh, so we often fail at these things, but generally speaking, those with the Ruach within them won't be corrupt or rude because the Spirit will convict them in their hearts and they will know that they have sinned against the Father and the Son and have grieved the Spirit and, hopefully, will seek forgiveness and strength to overcome these carnal tendencies.) |
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Post by David Ben Yosef on Aug 26, 2010 21:04:16 GMT -8
Yeshua taught that the whole of can be summed up in this: love G-d with all your heart, soul and strength; keep His commandments and love other people as you love yourself. So did Hillel... (Talmud - Mas. Shabbath 31a)On another occasion it happened that a certain heathen came before Shammai and said to him, ‘Make me a proselyte, on condition that you teach me the whole while I stand on one foot.’ Thereupon he repulsed him with the builder's cubit which was in his hand. When he went before Hillel, he said to him, ‘What is hateful to you, do not to your neighbor: that is the whole , while the rest is the commentary thereof; go and learn it.’ As a Pharisee of bet Hillel, it shouldn't seem strange at all that Yeshua would quote his Rebbe. Shalom |
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Post by zionlion on Aug 28, 2010 19:23:44 GMT -8
I've been learning for 30 years now. Can I switch feet yet? |
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Post by David Ben Yosef on Aug 29, 2010 9:47:29 GMT -8
Can I switch feet yet?  Praise G-d today's halacha is according to Bet Hillel, and not Shammai. However, in the epoch of Mashiakh this will probably change. Shalom |
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and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you. [Numbers 15:16]
