tonga
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Post by tonga on May 11, 2010 12:58:13 GMT -8
Yes, there were other descendants of David, but since the prophesies refer to a Divine Being, they aren't applicable to any mortal, then or now. I'm curious. Which prophecies regarding Mashiakh refer to a divine being? I too am curious as to where this is found in the Tanach. |
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Post by davidwiseman on May 11, 2010 13:18:05 GMT -8
Shalom davidwiseman, Thanks for explaining. Yes, there were other descendants of David, but since the prophesies refer to a Divine Being, they aren't applicable to any mortal, then or now. Can any mortal remove sin from the house of Jacob and the house of Israel? Blessings Be that as it may, that's not what I was saying. The fact that they were born as a part of the line of Judah means that they did fulfill that one prophecy. They may not have fulfilled any other Messianic prophecies, I just think it was an overstatement to say that no ordinary mortal can ever fulfill a single Messianic prophecy. |
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Post by zionlion on May 12, 2010 18:13:15 GMT -8
Psalm 110, for one. Who is sitting at the right hand of G-d? To anyone who may be interested: If you really want to know about Messiah, get into your Tanakh. Ask G-d to open His Word to you. If you are sincere, not playing games, and seek Him with your whole heart, soul and strength, He will open His truth to you through the Ruach haKodesh. This will be pleasing to Him and He will bless you. He wants to have intimate fellowship with you. Seek, find, and be blessed.  |
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Post by David Ben Yosef on May 12, 2010 20:23:31 GMT -8
Psalm 110, for one. Who is sitting at the right hand of G-d? Others may disagree, but I believe the one sitting at the "right hand" [symbolic language for the power of HaShem] is the risen, and glorified Mashiakh [Matt 26:64, Mk 14:62, Lk 22:69]. However, I see nothing in Tehillim 110 that indicates the Mashiakh had to be a divine being. On the other hand, I do see that all power/authority in earth, as well as heaven, had been given unto Yeshua by his Father after his resurrection: (Matthew 28:18 Complete Jewish Bible) " Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Mashiakh will exercise this power/authority in the coming age, and not before [known as the epic of Mashiakh, or the millenial reign as Christians call it]. Recieving this authority from HaShem does not make one divine. Without the Fathers aid, Yeshua could do nothing of himself: (John 8:28 Complete Jewish Bible) "So Yeshua said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am [who I say I am], and that of myself I do nothing, but say only what the Father has taught me. (John 5:19 Complete Jewish Bible) "Therefore, Yeshua said this to them: "Yes, indeed! I tell you that the Son cannot do anything on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; whatever the Father does, the Son does too. The works which Yeshua did were not of his own power, but were a direct result of having the Father dwell within him [ie- the Ruach HaKodesh]: (John 14:10 Messianic Renewed Covenant) "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The spoken words I say to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father Who abides in Me, He does the works. These passages, and many more clearly teach us that Yeshua was not a divine being, but was given power and authority after achieving the task in which the Father sent him to do. I would still like to hear your definition of the word "mortal" as used in your previous post. After your last post, I guess I should ask you what your definition of "divine' is as well. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what your saying. Shalom |
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