ginny
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Post by ginny on Oct 21, 2009 16:34:25 GMT -8
Greetings!
I would love to start a discussion on this verse. In wanting to obey all of YHWH's laws I am having to go one step at a time. So, I am dealing with the ones I know and that are obvious to me. We have been observing Sabbath and the feasts/fasts. I am now moving on to binding on my hand and having frontlets between my eyes (which, upon some small research, appears to be a headband of some sort). Now, I am really desiring to obey YHWH, but I do not feel any need to obey Talmud. The Word gives the commandment, but does not have specifics on how to do it, so I am assuming we have freedom in the specifics. My idea is to make a beaded bracelet, with alphabet beads, that
says, "Love YHWH with all your heart soul and resources". As for the headband, I wear a headcovering full time anyway, so I was thinking of making a band across the front and wearing it at the hairline instead of farther back on the head. What to put on it, I don't know right now...
Any thoughts, encouragement, criticism? Thanks!
In the Name of Yeshua the Messiah,
Ginny
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Post by tonga on Oct 21, 2009 19:15:12 GMT -8
Greetings! I wear a headcovering full time anyway Why, if I may ask? |
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ginny
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Post by ginny on Oct 21, 2009 21:14:41 GMT -8
Why do I wear a headcovering? Because the Bible says so and I would rather do it and perhaps not be required instead of not do it and it end up being that I was required all along. I hope that was clear. It didn't feel clear when I typed it. LOL!  |
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Post by tonga on Oct 21, 2009 22:32:21 GMT -8
Why do I wear a headcovering? Because the Bible says so and I would rather do it and perhaps not be required instead of not do it and it end up being that I was required all along. I hope that was clear. It didn't feel clear when I typed it. LOL! Oh, yes, clear! Where in the bible is it required? |
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ginny
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Post by ginny on Oct 22, 2009 5:17:56 GMT -8
1 Corinthians 11 I have had many people over the years try to save me from this and I must say that I am okay with those who do not agree. I hope this does not become a headcovering thread.  As for the "binding on the hand and frontlets between the eyes" I believe that YHWH has given me some help understanding it. This morning I suddenly saw a picture of myself holding the Word before my eyes and realized that diligent study of YHWH's Word is as frontlets between my eyes and that vigourously doing His will is as binding His Word on my hand. I don't think it would be wrong to wear something, but I am leaning toward the fact that the physical things on the head and hands are not the actual commandment in Deuteronomy 6:8. In the Name of Yeshua the Messiah, Ginny |
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Post by tonga on Oct 22, 2009 6:35:54 GMT -8
1 Corinthians 11 I have had many people over the years try to save me from this and I must say that I am okay with those who do not agree. I hope this does not become a headcovering thread. I cover my hair because it is required by Jewish law...I wasn't aware the Christians had the same commandment. That's why I asked....one more question about it though. Do you cover your hair (all of it) or is it along the hat type covering, or a scarf where some of the hair still shows? In otherwise, is the commanment to cover the head or the hair? I applaud you for taking this on and seeking your own understanding. Too many times Messianics copy exactly what Jews do, rather than setting their own "standards". There are those that will say it is a physical commandment, and those that will say it is meant only to mean one should always be aware of these commandments. Sounds like G-d is leading you to the latter belief. |
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Post by ginny on Oct 22, 2009 6:49:49 GMT -8
You know, I have based my observance of the headcovering based on the King James version of the Bible, so I think I really need to study it more thoroughly. As of right now, I do a variety of things: mostly let my hair hang long and wear a rather large scarf. I pin it about three inches back from my hairline and it falls to just below the shoulders. My hair hangs down to my waist. I do, at times, put my hair in a bun and wear either a mennonite-type cap or a shorter scarf, depending on what I am doing or how hot it is. I have never found anything that seemed like a commandment for headcovering in the old testament, though. Where is that? As for Deuteronomy 6:8, thanks for the encouraging words. |
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Post by tonga on Oct 22, 2009 10:16:12 GMT -8
It is derived from the story of the sota. Because her hair was
uncovered in front of the kohane, it is presumed that she always
kept her hair covered:
Numbers 5:12
12. Speak to the children of Israel and say to them: Should any man's wife go astray and deal treacherously with him,
13. and a man lie with her carnally, but it was hidden from her husband's eyes, but she was secluded [with the suspected adulterer] and there was no witness against her, and she was not seized.
14. But a spirit of jealousy had come upon him and he became jealous of his wife, and she was defiled, or, a spirit of jealousy had come upon him and he was jealous of his wife, and she was not defiled.
15. Then the man shall bring his wife to the kohen and bring her offering for her, one tenth of an ephah of barley flour. He shall neither pour oil over it nor put frankincense on it, for it is a meal offering of jealousies, a meal offering of remembrance, recalling iniquity.
16. The kohen shall bring her forth and present her before the Lord.
17. The kohen shall take holy water in an earthen vessel, and some earth from the Mishkan floor, the kohen shall take and put it into the water.
18. Then the kohen shall stand the woman up before the Lord and expose the [hair on the] head of the woman; he shall place into her hands the remembrance meal offering, which is a meal offering of jealousies, while the bitter curse bearing waters are in the kohen's hand.
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Post by lawrenceofisrael on Oct 22, 2009 10:44:31 GMT -8
To Ginny: First of all congratulations my sister for your blessed desire to obey the almighty. Secondly congratulations again ;-) that you´ve already found the strenght to cover your head when praying. may the almigthy reward you.
Thirdly as far as i know the tefillin are worn only by men not by women but im not sure though.
May peace and blessing be upon us all.
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Post by tonga on Oct 22, 2009 10:48:31 GMT -8
This is true according to Judaism. However, tzitzit are also
traditionally only worn by men, but I have read that
many Messianic woman also wear them.
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Post by Mark on Oct 23, 2009 3:50:00 GMT -8
This may be worth taking a look at: www.beki.org/womentefillin.htmlIt's worth considering that the "tradition" of women covering their heads is understood to date back to Rebekah: And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel. For she [had] said unto the servant, What man [is] this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant [had] said, It [is] my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself. (Genesis 24:64-65 KJV) While this isn't necessarily considered a command, it is provided as an example to be followed. It is worth considering how it was that she would know this to be an appropriate thing to do? Could it be that the rabbis are right and not all mitzvot (good works commanded by God) are written in the text of our Bibles, that there really is an oral  ? The command, in essence, stems back to Genesis 3:16 where the desire of the woman will be for her husband, but he shall rule over him. The covering is symbolic of this position in relationship, as Paul explains in 1st Corinthians 11 theloveofgod.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=corinthians&action=display&thread=1763Sometimes we have to be reminded that Paul was a Jew and never abandoned his Jewishness in the manner of his teaching toward his gentile audience. In fact, repeatedly he encourages them with the strongest possible language to embrace the Jewishness of their faith in Messiah. |
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