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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 7, 2007 0:31:42 GMT -8
How to count the Omer leading to Shavuot: 1. Recite the blessing: Baruch atah Adonai Elohenu melech ha-olam, asher kid'shanu b'mitzvotav v'tzivanu al sefirat ha-Omer. Blessed are You O Lord our God, King of the universe, Who has sanctified us by His commandments and commanded us concerning the count of the Omer. 2. Recite the count of the omer, saying: “Ha-Yom, Yom ______ l’omer” "Today is the ____ day of the omer." (for the first week) "Today is day ___, which is ____ week(s) and ____ day(s) of the omer." (for the rest of the counting) Most of Judaism starts counting the omer the day following the first festival Shabbat of Pesach, and for good reason. To further educate yourself on this subject please read the following articles: www.synagoguechm.com/drashot/7thdaymatzah_howdidmessiahcounttheomer.pdfwww.torahresource.com/EnglishArticles/CountingTheOmer.pdfwww.synagoguechm.com/articles/omercountingcontroversy.pdfChag Sameach!  |
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Post by garrett on May 6, 2015 8:31:13 GMT -8
Lag Ba'Omer I'm conflicted. Shimon Bar Yochai presents a problem to me, as does bar Kochba. The counting of the Omer - very good. The days leading up to Shavuot/Pentecost, with Moshe receiving the  are good. The bar Kochba rebellion being crushed, resulting in Pharisaical Jews (who believed in a false messiah) led to the outcasting of Messianic Jews who did not follow a false messiah. They were no longer welcome in the synagogues. How does a rabbi receive accolades, to this day, when he believed and endorsed a false and defeated messiah? I'm open to input. Am I missing something? |
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Post by alon on May 6, 2015 10:40:29 GMT -8
I'm conflicted. Shimon Bar Yochai presents a problem to me, as does bar Kochba. ... How does a rabbi receive accolades, to this day, when he believed and endorsed a false and defeated messiah?
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Post by garrett on May 7, 2015 6:27:15 GMT -8
In my fatigue I need to clarify myself. ...
Shimon Bar Kochba was ferocious and successful, for a while. What I wonder about is him and more importantly, the rabbi/s that endorse him as a Messiah.
He is celebrated, the defeat of Israel by Rome is mourned, but no famous rabbi is called out with regard to Messianic references about him (also, he was from the Davidic line). This hopeful Messiah was completely defeated and Jerusalem was leveled to the ground. Jews weren't even permitted to set foot near the land where the Temple once stood, except once a year to mourn their own defeat.
There have been many false Messiahs in the Hebrew world for the past 2000 years, especially in Europe. I wonder if the sages or men of significance had comments about such things.
Just wondering out loud - garrett
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Post by alon on May 7, 2015 9:15:43 GMT -8
Well, it's interesting you bring this up now, as today (18 Iyyar, the 33rd day of the Omer) is Lag B'Omer, a Jewish holiday. It is a break in the mood of the Omer, which is sort of a mourning period; and the only day celebrations are allowed during the Omer. It celebrates a break in a plague in the time of R. Akiva. R. Shimon bar Yochai is said in the Talmud to have died on this day as well. He was heavily into Jewish mysticism. These men and others like them were seen then as now to just be leaders in different sects of Judaism. All the followers of the various "messiahs" were seen this way, and as their particular champion was defeated their sect died.
The Nots'rim were different as their Moshiach rose from the dead, and instead of dieing out they grew. They were also rejected by mainstream Judaism because they left the Bar Kochba revolt when they were told bend the knee and proclaim him as hamoshiach. This they could under no circumstances do, as it meant rejecting Yeshua. God calls His own out in various ways.
So these men receive the accolades of other men long after their death. Yet what does this avail them? Ecclesiastes 9:5 (ESV) For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. We remember what is said to have happened, and the things they did; but does anyone truly remember them? And what good would it do them if we did?
The times and events of their lives are significant to Jews, Messianics, and even Christians (though in their semi-dead state it does them no more good than it does R. Akiva). Their names are markers in history and reminders of the events that shaped these three religions. So celebrate Lag B'Omer in this spirit, remembering their names and the events of their lives; the bad and the good they did and how these examples effect your faith. Just remember that we place no man on a pedestal, as only One was raised up to be worshiped and He is God Himself.
Dan C
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Post by alon on Apr 12, 2017 16:27:53 GMT -8
Today, 16 Nissan 5777 (12 April 2017) we should be starting our Omer count. This is a commandment:
Leviticus 23:15-16 (ESV) “You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering. 16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath. Then you shall present a grain offering of new grain to the Lord.
Some teach the count starts after the weekly Shabbat, which is the 8th of April. However Pesach is also a Shabbat, and contextually the one being referenced. The day after is Firstfruits, the day of the wave offering, which is when it says to start the count.
Dan C
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Post by Questor on Apr 12, 2017 19:47:15 GMT -8
Today, 16 Nissan 5777 (12 April 2017) we should be starting our Omer count. This is a commandment: Leviticus 23:15-16 (ESV) “You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering. 16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath. Then you shall present a grain offering of new grain to the Lord.
Some teach the count starts after the weekly Shabbat, which is the 8th of April. However Pesach is also a Shabbat, and contextually the one being referenced. The day after is Firstfruits, the day of the wave offering, which is when it says to start the count. Dan C |
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Post by alon on Apr 12, 2017 21:38:16 GMT -8
Today, 16 Nissan 5777 (12 April 2017) we should be starting our Omer count. This is a commandment: Leviticus 23:15-16 (ESV) “You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering. 16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath. Then you shall present a grain offering of new grain to the Lord.
Some teach the count starts after the weekly Shabbat, which is the 8th of April. However Pesach is also a Shabbat, and contextually the one being referenced. The day after is Firstfruits, the day of the wave offering, which is when it says to start the count. Dan C
Read closely; it was DISCOVERED that Yeshua was gone on the 1st day of the week (Sunday). It does NOT say He was resurrected on Sunday. Think about it: they could not have gone to the tomb where there was death and did the work required on a Shabbat, whether the weekly Shabbat or the feast day. And an 8th day resurrection would have meant completeness; all prophecy fulfilled and the Mellenneal Reign established. We know this not to be the case even 2000 yrs later. A Sunday resurrection is a Christian myth propagated by the church to undermine the commanded Shabbat, pervert scripture and establish their new religion without any taint of Judaism. Dan C |
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are good. The bar Kochba rebellion being crushed, resulting in Pharisaical Jews (who believed in a false messiah) led to the outcasting of Messianic Jews who did not follow a false messiah. They were no longer welcome in the synagogues.
