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Post by Questor on Dec 31, 2013 18:57:22 GMT -8
Not all Jewish Customs and beliefs are wrong. But those that are not found in  are questionable. Yeshua said we will know them by their fruits. Does the fruit of their traditions conform with ? Be honest. ... All right, I will be brutally honest. The attitude you display in many of your posts is endemic of the reasons I rebelled and left mainstream Christianity even before I left home. You want us to wake up and change our ways, rejecting anything Judaic. But I have to wonder ... If my father had blessed me instead of trying to beat the devil out of me at every opportunity, would I have cursed God and assaulted the law at every opportunity? Blessings are a particularly beautiful part of Jewish "tradition" that never made it into main-C. How about the picture of the father as he comes to the child who found the leaven, says "I'll take care of it" and uses a feather (the Ruach) to scoop the leaven (sin) onto a wooden spoon (the cross), wraps it in a linen cloth (burial shroud) and disposes of it outside the home on a communal fire. Now that is a much better picture of dealing with sin than someone yelling in your face about it, telling you you're only good enough to be left out of the feast. And about that feast, the foolish virgins were unprepared. That is the reason they were left out. They were supposed to watch and be ready. The only way you'll come to understand what to be prepared for is through understanding Hebrew customs and the feasts. So my advice to you is to follow the advice of Pastor Mark Biltz who said "They (the Jews) know in part, and we (gentiles) know in part; the first one to humble himself before God and meet Him in the middle wins- he gets it all!" Or, you could continue to follow the advice of Constantine ... but we have seen where that leads to. Dan C
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Post by alon on Dec 31, 2013 20:16:15 GMT -8
Questor- "Obedience and the fruit it produces is what our lives should be about. Judaic culture is admirable, and can be added into one's life where it does not conflict with the Scriptures. There are even some things in the Greco/Roman Christian traditions that add value to a Believers life, but one must search diligently to make those do not conflict with Scripture either."Reply- Agree, but with the stipulation we not do tings simply because they are Jewish and are not proscribed in scripture. I think that understanding the meanings, histories and purposes behind these extra-biblical observances is far more important than doing them. Especially for a bunch of gentiles who will inevitably get it wrong the first several attempts anyhow.  alon- "And about that feast, the foolish virgins were unprepared. That is the reason they were left out. They were supposed to watch and be ready. The only way you'll come to understand what to be prepared for is through understanding Hebrew customs and the feasts. So my advice to you is to follow the advice of Pastor Mark Biltz who said "They (the Jews) know in part, and we (gentiles) know in part; the first one to humble himself before God and meet Him in the middle wins- he gets it all!""Questor- "Nope...far more desirous of Brother Mark's advice, to be humble, and bring one's self to YHVH in obedience, even as the Ruach haKodesh guides us on our path, and to be always watching, and refilling our cruse of oil with more of the Holy Spirit, that we might have a light burning brightly when the Bridgroom comes for His Bride."Reply- Not sure why the "nope." I think both myself and Pastor B would agree- in fact that is one of the points he was making. But then I had the advantage of having the CD so I saw the whole thing. Anyhow, agree.  Dan C
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 6:15:02 GMT -8
Would not Messianic Judaism be considered a new religion as compared to Judaism and Christianity? Just like Crislam, which is a mixture of Christian beliefs and Islamic beliefs, which has started in some main stream Christian churches.
So is Messianic Judaism a new religion?
Just asking.
Moriah Ruth
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Post by alon on Jan 1, 2014 7:06:46 GMT -8
Would not Messianic Judaism be considered a new religion as compared to Judaism and Christianity? Just like Crislam, which is a mixture of Christian beliefs and Islamic beliefs, which has started in some main stream Christian churches. So is Messianic Judaism a new religion? Just asking. Moriah Ruth In a word, no. MJ is in part an attempt to take "Christianity" back to what the first cen. church would have known. Not a mixture of anything, it is at its heart a sect of Judaism which believes Yeshua is haMoshiach. And of course a bunch of us gentiles trying to figure it all out. "Chrislam" would be more satanic inroads into mainC. Any "Christian" church or individual who/which rejects the Jews is anethema, and not to be fellowshipped with or befriended. You can't be grafted onto something you hate- you'd wither and die. Dan C |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 8:50:47 GMT -8
Hi Dan,
Yes I totally agree with you on the Crislam part. Part of Satan's way of ruining what is truth. Mixing the truth with a lie so that it is acceptable.
Also I agree that the Christian churches should go back to the beginning of where it all started. Before all the other groups came in and defiled it all. I am still on my search.
Moriah Ruth
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Post by Yedidyah on Jan 1, 2014 10:01:54 GMT -8
I think that Messianic is a solid form of Judaism. As R'Reuel puts it "Judaism of The Lion of Judah."
This is from our Forum Statement of Faith, thought I would share.
"Please keep in mind that we consider Messianic Judaism to be a completely valid form of Judaism that doesn't need the permission or affirmation from any other sect of Judaism to exist. Therefore, we don't believe it is necessary to convert to Orthodox Judaism or any other branch of Judaism to become Jewish. One should not be so arrogant to think that Orthodox Judaism or any other sect of Judaism is the only valid and authoritative form of Judaism."
Shalom,
Yedidyah
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 13:06:22 GMT -8
Thank you Yedidyah for the information.
I have another question with regards to Ruth. We all know that she was a Moabite, which is Gentile. When she chose to follow after Naomi and the Holy God of Israel, she was accepted not only by God, but by the Israelites also.
Where would she fit in at? Would this make her Jewish or not?
She is mentioned as being a part of Yeshua's genealogy.
Moriah Ruth
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Post by Yedidyah on Jan 1, 2014 16:40:49 GMT -8
Thank you Yedidyah for the information. I have another question with regards to Ruth. We all know that she was a Moabite, which is Gentile. When she chose to follow after Naomi and the Holy God of Israel, she was accepted not only by God, but by the Israelites also. Where would she fit in at? Would this make her Jewish or not? She is mentioned as being a part of Yeshua's genealogy. Moriah Ruth I believe and so does just about every sect of Judaism calls her "Jewish" She abandoned everything and converted, most Jewish conversions are based on this idea. Hope that answered your question. Yedidyah |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 17:48:23 GMT -8
Yes this did answer my question. If this is the case then if I started observing the would this make me become Jewish? My husband believes that it does. Now I am not Jewish, however I see where me as being Gentile I would still be expected to follow the . I was trying to find a verse that states that if one is obedient to God's laws than they are considered His chosen people. Does anyone know which verse that I am relating to? And if so could someone explain that verse to me and how it falls in with following ? I hope my question made sense. Moriah Ruth |
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Post by Yedidyah on Jan 1, 2014 17:55:40 GMT -8
I know it clearly speaks of who the dragon hates in Revelation. Revelation 12:17 17 The dragon was infuriated over the woman and went off to fight the rest of her children, those who obey God’s commands and bear witness to Yeshua. Those who OBEY G-d's Commands and BEAR WITNESS to Yeshua. It is interesting that so many can read that verse and think the commands are no longer for followers of Messiah. Another verse to think about, Deuteronomy 29:12-15 (LY: ii) 12 (13) so that he can establish you today for himself as a people, and so that for you he will be God — as he said to you and as he swore to your ancestors, to Avraham, Yitz’chak and Ya‘akov. 13 (14) “But I am not making this covenant and this oath only with you. 14 (15) Rather, I am making it both with him who is standing here with us today before Adonai our God and also with him who is not here with us today. (LY: iii) 15 (16) For you know how we lived in the land of Egypt and how we came directly through the nations you passed through; And some more  Proverbs 1:8 8 My son, heed the discipline of your father, and do not abandon the teaching of your mother; Blessings, Yedidyah |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 18:56:45 GMT -8
Very good verses indeed. Now the woman that the dragon was after, some Christians teach that this is Israel. Is this so? Or does it mean for the ones who are obedient to God's law as you stated?
Moriah Ruth
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Post by Yedidyah on Jan 1, 2014 19:20:59 GMT -8
Very good verses indeed. Now the woman that the dragon was after, some Christians teach that this is Israel. Is this so? Or does it mean for the ones who are obedient to God's law as you stated? Moriah Ruth Sometimes it is best to just let the bible speak for itself  Romans 11:17-27 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you - a wild olive - were grafted in among them and have become equal sharers in the rich root of the olive tree, 18 then don't boast as if you were better than the branches! However, if you do boast, remember that you are not supporting the root, the root is supporting you. 19 So you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." 20 True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However, you keep your place only because of your trust. So don't be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified! 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly won't spare you! 22 So take a good look at God's kindness and his severity: on the one hand, severity toward those who fell off; but, on the other hand, God's kindness toward you - provided you maintain yourself in that kindness! Otherwise, you too will be cut off! 23 Moreover, the others, if they do not persist in their lack of trust, will be grafted in; because God is able to graft them back in. 24 For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree! 25 For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which God formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you won't imagine you know more than you actually do. It is that stoniness, to a degree, has come upon Isra'el, until the Gentile world enters in its fullness; 26 and that it is in this way that all Isra'el will be saved. As the Tanakh says, "Out of Tziyon will come the Redeemer; he will turn away ungodliness from Ya'akov 27 and this will be my covenant with them, . . . when I take away their sins." |
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Post by alon on Jan 1, 2014 21:35:21 GMT -8
Something to consider about Ruth, as well as the warning in the passage above: Ruth had lived in her husbands house, and so knew the customs of his religion. She also was immersed in the Hebrew culture when she stayed with her mother in law.
We, as gentiles are still immersed in a gentile culture, and for the most part have not had any prior instruction in Judaism. So we need to be careful how we go about calling ourselves "Jewish." Our life experiences, thought processes, culture and traditions all belie that claim, other than the fact of our being made heirs to the promises. But if we really want to share the good, then we need to be prepared to invest ourselves in the responsibilities that go with it. We shouldn't boast of being Jewish, or be too proud. We need instead to humbly seek our place in the order of things, learning as we go.
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Dan C
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