Canabis

[Blake]

There is no prohibition against the use of canabis in the is there? From my studies I cannot find any...

29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Genesis 9
3: Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Exodus, chapter 12
8: And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. (possible bitter herbs are canabis?)

Psalms, psalm 104
14: He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Shalom Blake and welcome back!

I don't think the bitter herbs spoken of here is cannabis, as in Marijuana...This has never been used to my knowledge in a Pesach Seder. Keep in mind when it says every green herb, it probably doesn't speak of things which are toxic for us to eat. For example, it is probably not Adonai's will that you go and eat poison ivy or some other poisonous or toxic plant. In other words...I wouldn't recommend taking up a habit of consuming marijuana.

Shalom chaver,

Reuel

[Mark]

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
(Gen 9:3 KJV)

This verse is often used to suggest that there is no differentiation between clean and unclean; however, Noah already knew and understood this distinction (Genesis 7:2). The key phrase is "as the green herd" [shall every moving thing that liveth be meat for you]. Since Noah already knew the distinction between clean and unclean, he probably had a good idea concerning sumac and wild hemlock as well.

The use of any substance that alters one's state of consciousness or impairs a person's ability to reason is by definition "drunkenness" and, while it is not spelled out as sin, it is clearly identified as not too smart.

[Rohanmdn]

Consider looking up the Greek word for "Sorcery". It is a root word that means "drug". Pharmekia = Drug induced mind open to demonic influence. Isn't Sorcery considered an abomination?

[Blake]

rohanmdn said:

Consider looking up the Greek word for "Sorcery". It is a root word that means "drug". Pharmekia = Drug induced mind open to demonic influence. Isn't Sorcery considered an abomination?

I ofcourse understand that Elohim doesn't wish for us to destroy our bodies by taking poisons... I'm sure He wished for us to use our common sense not to eat them so no prohibition would be made. Marijuana however is not a poison, and if consumed by eating presents absolutely no proven effects on health. Occasional inhalation or vaporization of the smoke is not that damaging either.

I wasn't trying to use the verse to show all meat is unclean (because Noah brought on more of the clean animals than the unclean) but simply showing verses that dealt with diet and herbs. The oral tradition containing many of the commandments must've been in effect before Sinai, because the children of Israel were commanded not to gather manna of the Sabbath before the Ten Commandments were even given.

I am also familiar with the Greek word pharmekia which is where we get the english word pharmaceuticals. Pharmekia however is a far older word and doesn't have the same meaning.
I am saved and have received the Ruach HaQuodesh (a holy soul). The Holy Ruach strengthens us to live pure lives according to the precepts of the Holy Law, so I do not fear demons or Satan for they are already defeated.

If the herb can bring one closer to the Elyon (which many pious men can testify) then there should be no stigma against its use.
It is quite a stretch to consider the sanctified use of the herb as witchcraft.

In fact, the ancient recipe for this anointing oil, recorded in the Old Testament book of Exodus (30: 22-23) included over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops, Hebrew "kaneh-bosm" B, extracted into a hind (about 6.5 litres) of olive oil, along with a variety of other herbs and spices. The ancient kings and judges were literally drenched in this potent cannabis holy oil.

Some have said to me that kaneh-bosm is not properly translated as cannabis, but the great Hebrew Linguist Eliezer Ben-Yehuda says in the 1964 Ben-Yehuda Hebrew-English / English-Hebrew dictionary it says that kaneh bosm is cannabis hemp, page 140.

Seeing recipe for annointing oil contains ganja, I don't see how its use can be denounced.

[Mark]

Blake,

It's also noteworthy what was done with the holy oil- it was for the consecration of the Tabernacle, not as a drug, not to be consumed, not to be reproduced by anyone for any other purpose than the consecration of the Tabernacle. There are a lot of substances that are described in the Bible but their use for one purpose doesn't condone any use we may later come up with.

I am strongly concerned with the idea of using an herb to bring one closer to Adonai in worship.

[Rohanmdn]

Blake,

I didn't mean to imply that you personally would be subject to witchcraft. And I haven't studied the different herbs used in priestly worship, you are far more informed than I in this subject.
However, because of other cultures, and their use of opiates and hallucinogenics in their own false religions to worship their false gods, I wouldn't be hesitant to call this indeed sorcery.
Generally, we see what drug use does to society. The fruit of it is deadly, and when a person is caught up in addiction it's not hard to conceive that it can be a deadly stronghold for Hasatan to destroy a life.

Shalom,
Rohan

[messimom]

One understanding of idol worship is anything that you value above YHVH (and ). Marijuana is psychologically addictive. You will find very few marijuana users that do not have an unhealthy preoccupation with the drug. I believe it becomes a type of idol to the user and is therefore unhealthy.

Messimom

[Blake]

mark said:

Blake,

It's also noteworthy what was done with the holy oil- it was for the consecration of the Tabernacle, not as a drug, not to be consumed, not to be reproduced by anyone for any other purpose than the consecration of the Tabernacle. There are a lot of substances that are described in the Bible but their use for one purpose doesn't condone any use we may later come up with.

I am strongly concerned with the idea of using an herb to bring one closer to Adonai in worship.

'Take thou also unto thee the chief spices, of flowing myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty, 24 and of cassia five hundred, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil a hin. 25 And thou shalt make it a holy anointing oil, a perfume compounded after the art of the perfumer; it shall be a holy anointing oil.

Note that this recipe is simply called annointing oil and although it was used in this instance for the annointing of the Tent-Temple, it is probaly also the annointing oil for preistly and kingly use. Note the large amount of kaneh-bosm (sometimes erroneously translated as sweet calamus). Such a concentration of the flowering parts of the cannibis plant (the most potent part) would've been absorbed through skin and would've caused similar effects to eating or inhaling the smoke.

Kaneh bosm is also likely to have been used in Holy Incense offerings to the Elyon.

AND AARON SHALL BURN INCENSE EVERY MORNING: WHEN HE DRESSETH THE LAMPS, HE SHALL BURN INCENSE UPON IT. AND WHEN AARON LIGHTETH THE LAMPS AT EVEN, HE SHALL BURN INCENSE UPON IT, A PERPETUAL INCENSE BEFORE THE LORD THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS.

EXODUS 30:8-10

This method of burning the incense in a tent was a common way of inhaling cannabis smoke before the invention of the pipe.

OU HAVE NOT BROUGHT ANY KANEH FOR ME, OR LAVISHED ON ME THE FAT OF YOUR SACRIFICES. BUT YOU HAVE BURDENED ME WITH YOUR SINS AND WEARIED ME WITH YOUR OFFENCES.

ISAIAH 43:23-24

El-Elyon rebukes the children of Israel for not burning the kaneh before Him in the temple!

WHAT DO I CARE ABOUT INCENSE FROM SHEBA OR KANEH FROM A DISTANT LAND? YOUR BURNT OFFERINGS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE; YOUR SACRIFICES DO NOT PLEASE ME.

JERIMIAH 6: 20

So brother, do not be dismayed as the use of cannabis in the worship and praise of the Most High for it has been used for centuries.


And as I said, the Holy Herb I only use on the Sabbath or at certain High Holidays. It is not abused as a recreation, but a tool in meditation and worship.
As for being "psychologically addictive"... ANYTHING can be psychologically addictive. People are addicted to food, people are addicted to sex, people are addicted to adrenaline, anything in existence (even things that are good for you in small doses) can be psychologically addictive.
So I don't buy into the idea of psychological addiction, its just people without Elohim trying to fill that hole.

I believe it is part of The Adversary's plan to spread myths and pass laws to limit the blessing of the Holy Kaneh from men.

Shalom brethern!

[Blake]

It is also interesting to know that cannabis was first banned un 1484 by Pope Innocent VIIL labeled cannabis as an unholy sacrament of the Satanic mass and issues a papal ban on cannabis medicines. This is the Religious ban that started Christians and Catholic’s into believing marijuana was sinful. It was begun as a religious ban and still to this day many, many Christian, catholic ministers promote the criminalization of one of "GOD" greatest gift's based on their erroneous religious views. The Popes who trampled upon the , spat on Scripture, and made an abomination of Judaism by mixing paganism and foolish stuperstitions and creating Christianity.

[Mark]

Blake,

You are making some pretty strong assumptions with the conclusions you have reached. There is a difference between anointing oil and incense.

By using the papal ban, you are incinuating that before 1484 it was a normal method of worship. Dig deep for that one. It'll be hard to find.

The evidence that marajuana is damaging to you is overwhelming. The fact that it alters your sense of reasoning is undeniable (I go back to the definition of drunkenness). I know that you have indorsement from doctors; but we in Oregon also have doctors that prescribe fatal doses or barbituates. I have had personal experiences with fellows that smoke pot. I've seen them change back and forth. You can't convince me that it is not an effective mood alterning drug with serious consequences.

Blake, you're stretching hard to find justification for something that is not biblically defensible. You are using the Word of God to promote your own agenda. Even if it were benign, your exegisis is self-willed. That is a greater concern to me than subject itself because it places your conclusions in a superior position than the Scriptures (the Scriptures become a means or a tool for defending your goals and preferences). This is the same process that followed by Ellen G. White (Seventh Day Adventist), John Armstrong (World Wide Church of God) and David Koresh (the Davidian tragedy of Waco Texas).

If it is your goal to promote the use of canabis in worship, you'll find no support from me, nor I hope from any in this forum. If it is your goal to seek understanding of why the use is not acceptable, I think the argument has been made pretty clear.

[Chizuk Emunah]

I am locking this forum because I believe the following points have been successfully communicated:

1. The use of any substance to draw closer to HaShem is not acceptable
2. While this plant has some medical properties, it is certainly not healthy to consume on a regular basis


Blake
The use of canabis is not sinful as lain out in the , but the methods by which it is used may be. Tread carefully my friend.

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Blake,

I too think that this thought of using Marijuana to come closer to Adonai is way off base (scripturaly speaking) and that your obvious use of this drug has clouded your judgment. I seem to recall a thread you started a while back on a Rastafari/reggae music band which holds to as similar theology. This particular religion uses Marijuana to become more spiritual. I think this bad doctrine has led you astray. I would seriously consider stopping the use of this drug in your life as I believe it will lead you in a dangerous direction. I hope you are reading this with a clear mind.

Shalom,

Reuel