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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Nov 10, 2006 22:07:01 GMT -8
Kosher wine...let's talk about it. Many don't know, but many wines use pig gelatin in it's processing.  Shalom, Reuel |
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Post by Nachshon on Nov 11, 2006 17:18:18 GMT -8
Wow. I didn't know that. How do they use gelatin in the processing of wine?
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Nov 11, 2006 19:53:36 GMT -8
I didn't know that either... That's kinda nasty. Makes me glad to only drink kosher wine.
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Post by Dogface Of Judah on Nov 11, 2006 22:07:29 GMT -8
Shalom;
I do believe i seen that in this book that i have.
[ftp]http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?type=books&type=cookbooks&type=kashruth&etn=CGHBE&aref=JAHistory&rdcount=2[/ftp]
Is there more kosher books anyone can recommend. I have FFOZ as well. As far as wine goes i have not had any wine since Aug 2004. I have a question which is one reason i have stayed away from wine and that is from what Paul says about qualification of bishops/leaders.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
And then Paul says:
1Ti 3:8 ΒΆ Likewise [must] the deacons [be] grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1Ti 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being [found] blameless.
1Ti 3:11 Even so [must their] wives [be] grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
So my question is this. Did Yeshua partake in alchoholic wine and who can and cannot? I'm just confused somewhat. I'll have more later.
Toda Rabbah Chaverim.
Ed
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Post by Golfnerd on Nov 12, 2006 8:10:31 GMT -8
wine is also clarified using a part of the sturgeon fish as well as a part of some type of shellfish. Maybe that's what gives it that little "bite" at the end?  |
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Post by Nachshon on Nov 12, 2006 10:54:54 GMT -8
Dogface, Yeshua must have partaken of alchoholic wine for the simple reason that it was nigh impossible to have non alchaholic win in the first century. I believe that the passages that you quoted referr to an excess of wine.
Shalom,
Nachshon
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Post by Vaneide on Nov 12, 2006 13:24:25 GMT -8
Shalom, Rayn
How can we know that? Some wine doesn't say anything about the ingredients, just say where was made.
Vaneide.
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Nov 12, 2006 15:05:45 GMT -8
Vaneide, There are certain types of wine that are made kosher. These include, Manishevitz, Mogen David, Carmel, and Baron Herzog. I believe www.star-k.org gives a more complete list. |
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Post by Vaneide on Nov 14, 2006 1:58:56 GMT -8
Shalom, Natanel
Thanks, I will see if here in England where I live I can find these kind of wine.
Vaneide.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Nov 25, 2006 23:58:28 GMT -8
I think He did as it was (and is) a common custom in Judaism during kiddush. I agree with Nachshon's sentiments. Scripture says not to drink wine in excess (given to wine), thus becoming drunk. Although, we do see instruction given to the Cohen HaGadol not to drink wine when serving in The Mikdash (Temple area). But, the instruction would'nt be given if it wasn't actually wine that he was drinking (as would impair his judgement during service). So, perhaps in this light during a particular type of service wine should not be ingested. At any rate, this is not the purpose of this thread. So, if we wish to carry on regarding the subject of the debate whether it is lawful to drink wine, or not...let us start a new thread. To answer some other questions in regards to finding out what wines are kosher and what wines are not...If you are buying wines considered kosher by Israeli authorities it is kosher as they do not allow any processing agents derived from unkosher sources. But, some Rabbis do consider some non-kosher animal sources to be kosher after a certian amount of processing rendering it parve\neutral (in their eyes). So, one does have to be somewhat careful if they really want a kosher wine. The following is a website that you can check out for kosher wines: www.kosherwine.com But, remember if it is certified kosher from Yisrael...it is kosher. So, support Yisrael if you can and buy wines imported from there. We are also compiling a list of wines that we have checked directly with it's producer to make certain they do not use any unkosher animal products in it's production. One wine not imported from Yisrael that I have already found to be a nice Shiraz is made by Beringer. I encourage those whom enjoy wine to check with the producers of their wine to see if they use any unkosher sources in it's processing. If you find that kosher sources are used, please share in this thread. Shalom chaverim, Reuel |
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Post by Seeker2 on Dec 9, 2006 11:49:43 GMT -8
I looked over the list of Kosher wines, and my favorite brand was not on the list. So, I took amatters in my own hands!  I called the winery and asked them. I spoke to the cheif winemaker and explained what I needed to know and he was very helpful and as it turns out, NO animal or egg products are used and they havent been used in many years. They use cold mostly but occasionally that clay that is used in Isreal. Now, the vineyard opperates yearly dispite the seventh year rest that is commanded, but if that were to stop me I would have to buy all my produce from Isreal as NO ONE observes G-d's way (pray for the restoration to be swift in our lifetime!). I just wanted to share this with you all as you may have a favorite brand as well! (Mine is Llano!) b |
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Post by Nachshon on Dec 11, 2006 21:05:15 GMT -8
Seeker, you like Llano? Isn't that basically regional to West Texas? I'm curious, because I have a lot of family in West Texas.
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Post by Blake on Dec 11, 2006 21:30:43 GMT -8
Also seeker, if you want to avoid wine made on a sabbatical year all you have to do is check the vintage and do a little math, so its easily avoided.
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Post by Nachshon on Dec 12, 2006 8:36:17 GMT -8
Some questions, Blake, would a field that is harvested on the Sabbatical year disqualify it's vintage every other year, how do we know what a Sabbatical year is, and, in all honesty, is the Sabbatical year kept anywhere, even Israel? With the exception of a few small, private farms that I know of (run by Christians, actually), I don't believe anyone is actually obeying the law of the Sabbatical year.
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Post by Blake on Dec 13, 2006 1:12:04 GMT -8
All these questions are meaningless, seeing that all I suggested was something one could do if they were worried about it.
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I called the winery and asked them. I spoke to the cheif winemaker and explained what I needed to know and he was very helpful and as it turns out, NO animal or egg products are used and they havent been used in many years. They use cold mostly but occasionally that clay that is used in Isreal. Now, the vineyard opperates yearly dispite the seventh year rest that is commanded, but if that were to stop me I would have to buy all my produce from Isreal as NO ONE observes G-d's way (pray for the restoration to be swift in our lifetime!). I just wanted to share this with you all as you may have a favorite brand as well! (Mine is Llano!) b
