Divorce

[Mark]

I'd be very interested to read the various perspectives you folks may have on the subject of divorce- particularly comparing Matthew 19:3-9 with Deuteronomy 24:1-4.

Did Yeshua speak against ?

[Pioneer]

mark said:

I'd be very interested to read the various perspectives you folks may have on the subject of divorce- particularly comparing Matthew 19:3-9 with Deuteronomy 24:1-4.

Did Yeshua speak against ?

To quote a very dear friends father "The Christian Army is the only Army that shoots it's wounded." Elbert G. Peak

The trouble is that non Hebrew speaking Christians with an agenda translated the bible to say exactlly what they believed.
The trouble with that is it speaks another God.
God gave Moshe the divorce.
God doesn't change.

The translation of a simple "vav" changes the whole meaning of the verse. "Vav" not only means and but a myriad of other things, in this case some learned Hebrew Scholars say that this "vav" is "In order to" meaning that he planned the divorce not finding a fault in her, he had already found another "her" in which he already committed adultry with and now he wants to make it legal.
Yeshua says in another verse that when you with lust look upon another you have already committed adultry
Mr 10:11 So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife in order to marriy another commits adultery against her.
Mt.19:8 He said to them, "For your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery."
Here he speaks the same terms of De. 24:1.

Christians believe it was Moshe and Moshe only that allowed divorce. Just as God says he is one, they say he is a trio.
Go figure!

Shalom

[Mpossoff]

No He didn't speak against .

He said...

Mt.19:8 He said to them, "For your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery."

The key here is but from the beginning it was not so and therefore since from the beginning it was not so then

I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery. That was always the case.

Marc

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Shalom Marc,

Yes, this is a good point. Yeshua was rightly interpreting ...as it was from the beginning. He changed nothing, but just interpreted it as it was meant to be.

May Adonai richly bless you,

Reuel

[Mark]

It is always important to realize that Adonai knew that elements of would not always be applicable because He knew that the Temple would would be destroyed and the Ark taken away from the very beginning.

er'vaw, as Pioneer, I think was getting at, is more specific than what the rabbinical authority had come to understand in the 1st Century. The key in the question put to Yeshua is "for any cause". The answer is by no means. er'vaw is the word translated in my King James Bible as "uncleanness" in Deuteronomy 24:1. It specifically refers to nudity, immodesty, and conclusively, infidelity.

In Numbers 5, we are given a way for God to answer the question of infidelity while there stands a Temple. Knowing that this would not always be possible to perform, Deuteronomy 24 can be understood as a "stop-gap". No doubt, divorce is the result of hardness of heart (often, to our mind, justifiably). Yet, it is a tragedy in every case and to be avoided if at all possible.

[Tzav_laTzav]

I came out of a church organization that taught "no divorce and remarriage for any reason." People were excluded from membership there based strictly upon this idea, but this was a "new-testament-only-type church." The was completely irrelevant to them, absolutely ignored, except for the nice "childrens' stories." That is why they allowed and encouraged remarriage between spouses who had left one another for years, even though they (or one) had been unfaithful. How easily we fall into error, calling it righteousness, when we ignore .