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Post by Mark on Oct 6, 2007 4:31:29 GMT -8
Would you consider Haloween candy food sacrificed to idols?
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rory
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Post by rory on Oct 7, 2007 9:39:05 GMT -8
WE have 3 girls - 14, 12, and 11 - and now for 3 years *THEY* have chosen not to play with Halloween in any sort of way. ONce they understood it is NOT scriptural, and is honestly a holiday for Satan, they definitely do not wish to participate.
What we do is simply go out for dinner some place, our house remains dark as we do not participate - much to the chagrin of all our neighbors - whom many are 'Christian', yet participate.
I know this really does not answer your question posted, but I don't have an answer for that. Just that we don't participate - by choice.
rory
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Oct 26, 2007 12:23:59 GMT -8
In the simple sense, unless it is sacrificed to an idol, I would not consider it to fall under "foods sacrificed to idols". But, I have a feeling there may be a more indepth way to look at this subject. Any other thoughts?
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Otto on Feb 12, 2008 17:09:08 GMT -8
Candy in of itself is just candy. Just as a goat in of itself is just a goat.
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Post by Bob on Apr 12, 2008 17:33:31 GMT -8
We buy candy around Halloween for our boys (4 and 8) mainly because its cheap  same as on Christmas (yule) and Ishtar (oops! I mean Ester) We do however try to stay away from the candy that is made in appearance of the holiday like candy sculls, santa Clause, or chocolate Bunnies. I equate the candy made in the image of the "holyday" similar that food sacrificed to an Idol. |
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Post by Mark on Apr 13, 2008 6:51:15 GMT -8
Vegangirl,
I have to ask that you consider the phrasing of your comments so that they will not be construed as demeaning or belittling of other members of the forum. "Who cares what others think..." sort of statements are not okay in the culture of humility and understanding that we are trying to maintain in this place.
It is often difficult to remember that posts of words on a page represent the thoughts and feelings of another person. I ask that you consider ways of making your point in a manner that does not jeopardize the culture of this forum.
Mark
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Post by Mark on Apr 14, 2008 4:40:35 GMT -8
Interestingly, enough, I have come to a very similar position as Bob. This is interesting because, if any of you didn't realize it, he's my biological brother. Interesting because we have come to these similar religious positions without discussing them at all and have not had very close association for some eighteen years. I remember doing Halloween as a kid. I don't know about Bob because when he was, what, 12, they moved to Montana. I remember that we always, at least, passed out candy to trick-or-treaters (and usually some Baptist literature as well). One of my older brothers and I were having this conversation about Halloween and he shot out, "Show me one thing in the Bible it says there's anything wrong with Halloween!" I responded, "How about 'Flee from the very appearance of evil," He said, "okay." The conversation was pretty much over. It's not as though we are looking to something or avoiding something so as to gain or maintain Adonai's approval. It is more a desire to avoid those things that are contrary to His character. It is not to bring Him closert to us; but to draw closer to Him. This is not a position that I have held only in the few years I have been invloved in a  Observant Messianic community. Even when I directed a Church kids program, and we handed out candy by the barrel full, I would not accept any candy that had Halloween decorations or significance attached to them. And while a few secretly rolled their eyes, the majority of the congregation was appreciative of that stance. |
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Post by Prodigal Girl on Apr 15, 2008 10:11:31 GMT -8
Hello Vegangirl,
Am I correct in surmising that English is not your native language? If I might make a suggestion, do not end every sentence with an exclamation point. Use a period. Exclamation points are used to show strong feeling in a particular sentence. If used on every sentence, it makes your writing look very strange. If you will notice, normally in English paragraphs the exclamation point is only used occasionally.
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Post by Prodigal Girl on Apr 23, 2008 5:47:11 GMT -8
No offense, and we are glad you are back. It is OK to use exclamation points, just use them sparingly, for those special times. Think of it like using too much perfume, or wearing too much jewelry. It becomes not effective, and a waste.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on May 1, 2008 13:59:09 GMT -8
Amein v'amein!
Halloween is the celebration of death, therefore it's celebration is closely connected to it's cause...sin. Any Christian or Messianic Jew whom is filled by the Spirit of God and is not quenching that Spirit could not possibly celebrate Halloween. It is the opposite of God's character and Spirit. Hopefully, people will wake up and smell the death. Buying Halloween candy does indirectly help to support the culture of death.
Something to think about.
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Otto on May 9, 2008 0:53:19 GMT -8
I agree with Bob here.
I don’t buy candy too often but after a man made Holladay Candy / Hershey’s candy is cheap and only the wrapper has changed. The candy inside is the same.
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Post by alon on Feb 6, 2014 7:14:12 GMT -8
I agree with Bob here. I don’t buy candy too often but after a man made Holladay Candy / Hershey’s candy is cheap and only the wrapper has changed. The candy inside is the same. I have to disagree with both posters here. You could say the same things about a sheep which was blessed by a pagan priest and sacrificed on a pagan altar. I avoid candy in the weeks before and after Halloween, as the entire industry is geared up with one goal in mind at this time- the rotting of little pagan teeth! It doesn't matter if it looks the same or if the formula was the same- it was all overstocked to sell as much as possible and destined for the bags of little ghouls, witches, devils and other holiday celebrants. "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Pro 22:6 No wonder we can't blast 'em free of mainC ... they've been trained to love and enjoy their paganism at Christmas, Easter and Halloween from the time they could walk! Dan C |
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Post by Yedidyah on Feb 6, 2014 10:23:05 GMT -8
Shalom! This is a great thread, I am glad alon brought it back into discussion. I was taking a class on Jewish Halacha and the subject of candy canes came up. It took over an hour and that is cutting it short going into all points of view on the subject from , Mishna/Gemara and Talmud. This was the Orthodox viewpoint that was shared by a majority. Candy Canes have a heckcher symbol, they are made with Kosher ingredients so are they "Kosher" to eat? This was the starting question that so many would not look any farther into the subject and accept it as "Kosher". You get so many different viewpoints of what is Kosher in the Messianic movement that it varies by such a large degree. So at least in a Orthodox consideration of the subject it makes it a bit more simple to discuss in some ways. What I found interesting is most of the comments shared on this thread share the Orthodox viewpoint on the subject. Just because something is made of Kosher ingredients does not necessarily mean it is Kosher. The purpose behind the candy cane is to make it for a pagan holiday that is filled with idolatry. The ingredients are just mixed up and shaped like the candy cane but the ingredients can't be bad "THEIR KOSHER" What we have here is something that is created specifically for a pagan day, it is a separation issue. When you go into a store and you purchase anything that is created for a pagan day/marketed for a pagan day you are participating in the worlds idolatry of that day. It is not a matter of life or death it is simply a lust of the flesh. Does one really have to buy candy marketed for such days, of course not. The bottom line is at the end of the day there is nothing that can edify the body or bring anything to Hashem by participating in such practices. So we don't have a purpose for buying such items other than our own lust for the taste of such. Under Jewish law one is even prohibited from taking pleasure in the smells of non Kosher foods. The problem is we have so many churches trying to use pagan days as their "BIG" community events to reach out to the community. Buying candy that is created for the marketing of such pagan days is the same as buying food sacrificed to idols since it was set apart for the false gods of such days. I think it is interesting that so much of talks about what one can eat and then in Acts 15 we see them telling them to start eating right since they are already going to hear the words of Moshe being read in the synagogues. It is a topic that is rarely addressed in detail. Bless and Keep, Yedidyah |
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Post by alon on Feb 6, 2014 15:03:17 GMT -8
Shalom! ... Just because something is made of Kosher ingredients does not necessarily mean it is Kosher. The purpose behind the candy cane is to make it for a pagan holiday that is filled with idolatry. ... What we have here is something that is created specifically for a pagan day, it is a separation issue. When you go into a store and you purchase anything that is created for a pagan day/marketed for a pagan day you are participating in the worlds idolatry of that day. ... The bottom line is at the end of the day there is nothing that can edify the body or bring anything to Hashem by participating in such practices. So we don't have a purpose for buying such items other than our own lust for the taste of such. ... Yep, people always come up wit these convoluted arguments why they can violate but not be sinnin'. I just stop 'em and say that even if all their hog-swill were true, the holidays and every practice that goes with each are evil- they draw our attention away from God and the feast days He commanded. No one has ever really answered me back on that one, because they know that they know nothing about the feasts except that they were "Jewish"- so tail between legs as they gather their things and shout over their shoulder while exiting the door "Those were nailed to the cross!" It's like that old hymn we used to sing; "At the cross At the cross Where I found my light And the burdens of obedience rolled away It was there by "faith" I saw Santa alight And I'm eating eggs and candy other days" Song and lyrics by ha satan  DanC |
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same as on Christmas (yule) and Ishtar (oops! I mean Ester)
Observant Messianic community. Even when I directed a Church kids program, and we handed out candy by the barrel full, I would not accept any candy that had Halloween decorations or significance attached to them. And while a few secretly rolled their eyes, the majority of the congregation was appreciative of that stance.
