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Post by Mark on Dec 29, 2008 7:06:26 GMT -8
In Genesis 47:7, Jacob blesses Pharaoh. Do we bless those who reject the Gof of our Fathers, even if it would be the polite thing to do as guest to host?
How does this compare with the injunction of our Messiah,
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
(Matthew 7:6 KJV)
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Post by vickilynn on Dec 29, 2008 9:03:10 GMT -8
Shalom Mark, Some things are running through my mind pertaining to this question. This may not be what you're looking for, but it is where I was brought to in my search for answers. 1) Pharaoh wasn't just any run-of-the mill pagan idolator. He was the authority of the land. In that position, given to him by G-d, he was due respect - for the office - not for his actions. Romans 13 1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from G-d, and those which exist are established by G-d. Similar to President -elect Obama.  2) We are ALL sinners before we were born again into Yeshua by faith. So each pagan idolator that we meet has the potential to be a brother or sister in the L-rd. We are to show them love and tell them the truth about Yeshua. 1 Corinthians 6 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of G-d. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Messiah Yeshua and in the Spirit of our Gd. 3) How that relates to Matthew 7:6, to me, is when someone has been given the truth and they repeatedly mock it or reject it. It is fruitless and unwise to continue anything but prayer. ~~In Messiah Yeshua, Vickilynn Micah 6:8 |
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Post by shammuel on Apr 18, 2009 10:14:02 GMT -8
Josepus Flavius in a book has written that in Tora is a commandment witch sounds something like that: "No man shall adress disgrace words to gods honored by the other fortress" or...in my languge: "Nimeni sa nu adreseze vorbe de ocara zeilor cinstiti de celelalte cetati"
Jewish Antiquities: book IV cap VIII
Do you find it in Tora?
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Post by Mark on Apr 19, 2009 5:19:48 GMT -8
In the translation that I have online it is rendered thus: 10. Let no one blaspheme those gods which other cities esteem such; (18) nor may any one steal what belongs to strange temples, nor take away the gifts that are dedicated to any god. www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/ant-4.htmIn Exodus 23:13 the command is to "make no mention" of the names of other gods. (In Hebrew it says not to "mark out the names") interpret that as you will. Combine this with the example of Michael the angel when battling haSatan (Jude 1:9, possibly referencing Zechariah 3:2) the understanding would be consistent with Josephus' rendering. Consistently, the Hebraic style is to always treat one's enemies with dignity. |
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Post by azgdt5120 on Dec 16, 2009 11:38:32 GMT -8
Give the dvar of HaShem to those who muck it or those who intentionally reject it is what Adonai warn us about, I conclude. But still Yeshua teaches we should bless those who curses us, or persecute us.
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Post by alon on Apr 19, 2015 20:37:30 GMT -8
In Genesis 47:7, Jacob blesses Pharaoh. Do we bless those who reject the Gof of our Fathers, even if it would be the polite thing to do as guest to host? How does this compare with the injunction of our Messiah, Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. (Matthew 7:6 KJV)
Genesis 47:6-10 (ESV)6 The land of Egypt is before you. Settle your father and your brothers in the best of the land. Let them settle in the land of Goshen, and if you know any able men among them, put them in charge of my livestock.” 7 Then Joseph brought in Jacob his father and stood him before Pharaoh, and Jacob blessed Pharaoh. 8 And Pharaoh said to Jacob, “How many are the days of the years of your life?” 9 And Jacob said to Pharaoh, “The days of the years of my sojourning are 130 years. Few and evil have been the days of the years of my life, and they have not attained to the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their sojourning.” 10 And Jacob blessed Pharaoh and went out from the presence of Pharaoh.
God Himself would bless this ruler- did in fact bless him with Joseph. All that Joseph did for Pharoah was blessed by God.
Genesis 12:3 (ESV) I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Would I bless some current world leadership? I pray the blessing of repentance and salvation for them, but beyond that I ask a curse on them and all they do. They are evil, and they are leading their people to do evil towards Israel, as well as Jews, Christians (certainly they would hate Messianics too then) and anyone who disagrees with them. So my answer- depends on the leader and the situation.
Dan C
edit: had to change some things because I was getting close to the line of lashon hara. Even though I didn't name names it could be read into it who I meant. Sorry- had to self moderate there.
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Post by alon on Apr 19, 2015 21:05:26 GMT -8
Give the dvar of HaShem to those who muck it or those who intentionally reject it is what Adonai warn us about, I conclude. But still Yeshua teaches we should bless those who curses us, or persecute us.
Matthew 7:6 (ESV) “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you."
I take this as a warning to watch how we deal with evil men. The politics of appeasement never works. There are those we do not bless, but we stand up to them. We should always stand against Islam, for example, because they have a history of attacking when your back is turned or when they feel strong enough. We should stand against anti-Semitism, especially the latent anti-Semitism in Christian churches, because if we don't they'll never think they need to change. And we should stand against evil candidates for public office and call it like it is. Otherwise they may steal your pearls anyhow and kill you.
Dan C
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