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Post by shammuel on May 1, 2009 2:58:40 GMT -8
When we must eat the new Pesah that Yeshua give to us? More exactly...what is the communion witch people eat every moon? can we eat from Mesiah body every time? or just when he died, when he said to remember of his dead (all of this at Pesah)? I asking that because i have some contradictions in my community...
Thank you very much!
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Post by Mark on May 1, 2009 3:30:29 GMT -8
There are no definitive requirements as how to celebrate the New Moon and there is no prohibition to the traditional communion commemoration (juice and crackers).
Passover is commanded on 14 Nisan and the discussion to this point was in regard to whether or not Messiah actually kept the Feast as presrcibed or did something on His own. Yet, there is no prohibition to sharing "elements" of the Seder as worship at other times.
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Post by lawrenceofisrael on May 2, 2009 12:41:18 GMT -8
As far a I know remembering the death of messiah with wine and bread can be done at all times. If you have a congregation you can just have a meal together and by doing that you proclaim the death of moshiach as Shaul (may the Lord remember him) said.
I think it´s also a wonderful opportunity to invite non-believers to the faith in Yeshua.
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Post by shammuel on May 2, 2009 13:09:34 GMT -8
Well....then were is the diference between the Pesah and a simple communion? For example I eat from the body of Yeshua today as Pesah lamb ans when I go home.....I eat again from it....what I don't understand is: Yeshua has give the commendment as and at Pesah to be done....and we know that if someone can't eat it in 14 Nisan he can eat whit a moon later.....from here results that we can eat once a ear...as Pesah...but if we eat many time.....as what do we eat? where is the shaddow from old covenant witch show us that to be made in the new covenant? It's true that is written 'every time you do this....' but this 'every time' could be....once a ear...because, for example once a ear we have a Moed in witch we remember his dead....it is streange to eat from his body ai Tebernacle, when we consider that has place His born, and we remember about his dead....!? Sorry because I insist....is oane of my misunderstanding
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Post by Mark on May 2, 2009 14:43:13 GMT -8
The difference is that commemoration of the Passover is command of  while juice and crackers (communion) is a man-made tradition. There isn't anything wrong with the man made tradition. Anything can be applied personal significance and be made into a thing of worship. The problem is when we are taught that the tradition of man has replaced the commandment of God. |
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Post by alon on Apr 8, 2014 6:06:31 GMT -8
There are no definitive requirements as how to celebrate the New Moon and there is no prohibition to the traditional communion commemoration ( juice and crackers). As far a I know remembering the death of messiah with wine and bread can be done at all times. Wine or juice being a substitute for the blood of Yeshua, you should not eat either bread or crackers with any form of communion. Most mainstream churches believe it OK to use crackers, however they do have some leaven in them. Gal 5:9 "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."I'd suggest that this time of year (around pesach) when matza is more readily available and cheap would be a good time for any congregation to stock up so they don't break the command from Exodus above. I won't take communion with most mainstream churches any more because of the likelihood of there being uncircumcised men partaking there as well. Many do not think circumcision is an issue any more. However I tend to take God seriously when He says "For I am the LORD, I change not;" Mal 3:6a.Dan C |
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Post by Questor on Apr 10, 2014 20:05:55 GMT -8
There are no definitive requirements as how to celebrate the New Moon and there is no prohibition to the traditional communion commemoration ( juice and crackers). As far a I know remembering the death of messiah with wine and bread can be done at all times. Wine or juice being a substitute for the blood of Yeshua, you should not eat either bread or crackers with any form of communion. Most mainstream churches believe it OK to use crackers, however they do have some leaven in them. Gal 5:9 "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."I'd suggest that this time of year (around pesach) when matza is more readily available and cheap would be a good time for any congregation to stock up so they don't break the command from Exodus above. I won't take communion with most mainstream churches any more because of the likelihood of there being uncircumcised men partaking there as well. Many do not think circumcision is an issue any more. However I tend to take God seriously when He says "For I am the LORD, I change not;" Mal 3:6a.Dan C
The rest of the year is somewhat questionable, as we make no blood sacrifice. The drinking of wine or grape juice is to be in memory of Yehoshua only.
Luke 22:7-20 (CJB)
7 Then came the day of matzah, on which the Passover lamb had to be killed.
8 Yeshua sent Kefa and Yochanan, instructing them, “Go and prepare our Seder, so we can eat.”
9 They asked him, “Where do you want us to prepare it?”
10 He told them, “As you’re going into the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him into the house he enters,
11 and say to its owner, ‘The Rabbi says to you, “Where is the guest room, where I am to eat the Pesach meal with my talmidim?”’
12 He will show you a large room upstairs already furnished; make the preparations there.”
13 They went and found things just as Yeshua had told them they would be, and they prepared for the Seder.
14 When the time came, Yeshua and the emissaries reclined at the table,
15 and he said to them, “I have really wanted so much to celebrate this Seder with you before I die!
16 For I tell you, it is certain that I will not celebrate it again until it is given its full meaning in the Kingdom of God.”
17 Then, taking a cup of wine, he made the b’rakhah and said, “Take this and share it among yourselves.
18 For I tell you that from now on, I will not drink the ‘fruit of the vine’ until the Kingdom of God comes.”
19 Also, taking a piece of matzah, he made the b’rakhah, broke it, gave it to them and said, “This is my body, which is being given for you; do this in memory of me.”
20 He did the same with the cup after the meal, saying, “This cup is the New Covenant, ratified by my blood, which is being poured out for you. |
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while juice and crackers (communion) is a man-made tradition. There isn't anything wrong with the man made tradition. Anything can be applied personal significance and be made into a thing of worship. The problem is when we are taught that the tradition of man has replaced the commandment of God.
