Does God love Gay people also?

[veggirl]

Does God love gay people also? Would this be the same sin as forication and adultery?
This had been in the media lately, I am also asking for a reason.


I have found a good friend from 15years ago, we were room mates , I met him in TX when I was about 18years old.
There were about 4 of us that shared a place together.

Really we were best friends, we would hang out always,,, We had a very strong friendship.

I found him on myspace, not thinking I would ever see him again.. I just looked up his name and there he was,, I was like oh my ,, my eyes were watering ,, I had a flash back on the past.. I know I have changed so much from a punk to a mormon to believer' in YESHUA,
I know we will talk , soon and maybe even see each other..
I am just not sure what I will say.. I know things will come up.


The bible tells us to love Adoni with all our hearts and souls and minds and to love our neighbor as our selfs,. This means everyone right? Gay, or striaght .. we are all sinners..

I still love him as my a great friend, but he is very much gay he now lives in San Francisco Ca ..

I do miss him a lot.
He was there when I had my baby girl..

I am not sure what I am asking,, I guess for some scripture..
Will you all keep my friend Miguel in you're prayer's please..
God have changed nations and hearts,, so we can change my friend also right?
I do not want him going to hell. I really do love him..
I pray that God gives me all the right words to say..

Peace&love bri'gette..

[Mark]

So the question may really be, "How bad do we have to get before God pulls back His hand in disgust?"

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(Romans 5:6-8 KJV)

While there are things in the Scripture that Adonai uses stronger words to describe than others, James reminds us that the least significant sins signed our death warrant (James 2:10), that without Messiah, we are hopeless regardless of the moral position we have established for ourselves.

What may make homosexuality a little different is the tendency for one involved to identify his or herself with that homoesexuality- i.e. instead of "I am involved in homosexuality" he may say, "I am a homosexual."

In these conversations I have countered, "I'm a sinner, too..." To which the response is typically rather negative. Yet, it is no different than the Christian who says, "I love Jesus but there's no way I'm giving up my pork chops," or "I serve God with all my heart and the way that I choose to worship Him is up to me to decide." Keep in mind, Messianic believers or no less prone to this sort of thinking; but Christians are easier targets because their answers are so blatantly self-righteous. In Messianic communities we have learned to guize our answers more subtley.

The point is that way to salvation is narrow. We want to say, "I'll come, if I can bring along my pet white elephant." There's no room for you, your friend and something else. You have to come alone. You have to come, knowing that God is going to make you into something completely different than what you are today. The person bound in homosexuality fails to realize that he is not the only one being required completely cease being who he was before and enter into something altogether new. That's because the Church that he has been exposed to is simply a club of "gooder than you" that requires no change in identity... unless you're gay. The Bible places us all on level ground. We are all desparately lost without Messiah Yeshua. We must all be transformed into His image and be made new creations. We must all release the things we once found precious so that we can grab onto His glory.

Your friend can recieve the same grace that is offered to you or to me or to any other person in this world. He has to understand what he is doing, though, just like you do and just like I do- he has to understand that by saying "yes" to God through Messiah, he is saying no to everything he once held as valuable and to the identity he once had.

[dave]

Very wise words Mark. This is a very difficult situation to be in. My sister is gay, and her and her girlfriend live with my parents. It becomes difficult to know exactly where to draw the "line". How do I show my sister that I still love her, and that Adonai still loves her, but still not condone such behavior. I have two young children, and I don't want them to grow up thinking that this type of behavior is acceptable, but I don't want to keep them away from their aunt. The thing that I find the most awkward is the interaction with her girlfriend. I met her for the first time about a month ago while I was home on leave from Iraq. My wife had already met her, and everyone already knew her. I had to try to be as nice as I could be.

The way that I try to look at it is like this: Her homosexual behavior is no worse than any of my own sins that I battle with daily. The only difference is she is wants everyone to believe that what she's doing isn't wrong. This is not an easy task.

Shalom in Messiah,
Dave

[Mark]

It's impossible to suggest how you should relate with your sister's partner because there is such a range of how people invovled with homosexuality feel about themselves. Some know it is wrong and choose to engage in such a lifestyle precisely for that reason. Some are drawn to homosexual behavior because of damaging experiences from a heterosexual relationship (often involving incestuous or otherwise violent or traumatic circumstances). Some simply have been convinced by their peers or voices of society that suggest that it is normal.

The manner in which she responds to you may vary on how she perceives herself. If homosexuality is the focus of her identity, she may be more hostile toward you than if it is simply one of many aspects of her life. I've literally had women walk up to me on the street and declare, "I'm a lesbian," simply to invoke some kind of conflict. It's quite strange.

For me, it's not any different than having family members that participate in Halloween or that have ham for Christmas. My childen understand that our commitment to places us in a minority. It's no big deal to be exposed to folks that have things in their life that are sinful according to God's definition but are perfectly fine for them or for the rest of society. This doesn't make us better than them. It simply causes us to be aware of things that they choose not to think about. It means that our pursuit of a relationship with Adonai at an intimate personal level is very rare, and should not be presumed.

I'm sure that you and your sister (and her partner) have lots of things to talk about that have nothing to do with their intimate relationship. It is also likely that they will test the waters to see how abhorant or "homo-phobic" you might be. If they do things that make you uncomfortable, let them know; but I would do the same if my brother and sister-in-law were to engage in inappropriate petting in front of my children.

The people in my life who are involved in homosexual relationships are amazed to find that I can treat them with respect and dignity without condoning aspects of their lifestyle. It is such a central issue for them, while we recognize that impacts every area of our lives. And I have my own struggles to deal with without wasting energy on things that are really none of my business.

[veggirl]

MArk,

Thank you, I new I can come here and get understanding..
There's a war with chriatians and homosexual's right now, its pretty crazy.. It's all over christian talk radio..

I love my gay friend,, I didn't know he was gay for like 3years of knowning him , I even asked him once and he huged me and said no silly! Then I asked him again years later then he told me! Kind of.,. He never wanted me to know for some reason.

I didn't care back then, even my mid-wife was gay( I think he was),, He was pretty understanding man but just from that I could not tell,, No one did anything gross ,, I never seen one of those men I lived with ,, with any man.. or women.. I know they use to go out a lot.

dave,
my sister was bi at one time , her and her Xhusband did that stuff all the time,, its so , my little sister got married at the age of 16years old ,, it was not good ,, shes been with many bad bad men.. I love that sis,, we don't get a long much because I called her a baby killer,, 2 pages long ... I was not a christian then or messianic then,, I would never say that now .. I just never understood why she got so many abortions :*(

I love her a lot,, her life is a mess I don't know how to help her,,, This evil drug called Meth has taken my sister away from us,, :*(
Its ..

Peace&love Bri'gette

[yeshuafreak]

i suggest not giving so much personal information brigett

shalom- john

[zionlion]

Yes, Elohim loves "gay" people, as He loves all of us enough to send His Son to suffer and die for the atonement of all of our sins.

As with any sin, the requirement for the homosexual is sincere repentance. Confronting family and friends involved in this is, of course, difficult. But if we believe what Scripture says about it, and the consequences of involvement in it; true, Godly love demands that we speak the truth to that person.

A strained or broken relationship, though painful, is well worth the sacrifice if it brings that person into right relationship with Elohim.

In Yeshua, veggirl.