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Post by Rick on Apr 28, 2005 19:33:07 GMT -8
I read about St. Malachy some time ago, but found it interesting that he has now become a topic in some blogs and news articles. Hal Lindsey, and some others have made mention of his papal prophecy. Could there be a grain of truth amid the sensation? Any thoughts, rants, or opinions? I'm not sure it would quite qualify as prophecy, most of what Malachy wrote about each pope was no more than a few words that could be 'bent' to fit. I posted the link to the story below because it mentions other websites with commentary etc. related to this. Pope Prophecy |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 29, 2005 10:39:07 GMT -8
Interesting article. Hmmm...it seems to fit the mold. I don't know, any other thoughts?
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Rick on Jul 28, 2005 15:22:19 GMT -8
I have always aproached the "Bible Codes" with a somewhat skeptical view, this story however caught my attention.
It seems this "skeptic" convinced himself they are beyond chance or coincidence. Hmm.............
The Holy Bible, the best-selling book of all time, was not written by man, but by God himself.
Such is the conclusion not of some overzealous sky pilot, but a mathematics expert who sought to disprove the existence of any hidden messages concealed in Scripture.
Now, the book that uses science to help prove the Bible's divine authorship is back, in a new edition packed with even more material than the original version.
"Bible Code Bombshell: Compelling Scientific Evidence that God Authored the Bible," is written by Edwin Sherman, an internationally recognized mathematician and statistical expert who was a skeptic of Bible codes, and, in fact, set out to nullify theories connecting them to ancient verses.
But after studying the subject himself, Sherman, founder of the Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society, is now convinced the Hebrew Bible contains coded messages that are evidence of God's authorship of the Bible.
As WorldNetDaily previously reported, reporter Michael Drosnin wrote 1997's "The Bible Code," a book based on the work of Israeli mathematician Eli Rips that attained popularity, in part, from Drosnin's claim that future events, such as the Holocaust, Yitzak Rabin's assassination and the Gulf War were encoded in the Bible.
Such claims invited attacks from skeptics like mathematician and physicist Dave Thomas, who wrote in 1997, "Hidden messages can be found anywhere provided you're willing to invest time and effort to harvest the vast field of probability. He, Drosnin, underestimates the power of chance combined with the brute force of computers. He says these messages are beyond the power of chance, and I've proven they are not."
Another skeptic who was convinced he could prove Drosnin's messages to be fakes or statistical artifacts was Sherman.
R. Edwin Sherman (courtesy Southern Oregon News)
Sherman says he found most of Drosnin's examples trivial.
"They were the simple kinds of words and phrases you might find if you searched for encoded messages in the Jerusalem phone book," he told the Southern Oregon News.
But he was intrigued enough to use code software and begin analyzing the Masoretic text of the Old Testament.
"I was very skeptical about the whole thing," he says. "I started a project to try and show the whole thing was bogus."
Instead, he says he found many examples of messages that went beyond simple words and phrases – and they often were contextually similar to the Biblical passage in which they were found.
"Finding dozens of lengthy encoded messages on the same topic in one short section of text is about as likely as winning a one-in-a-million jackpot ten times in a row," he said. "Basically, it cannot happen by chance."
The process of searching for encoded messages involves analysis of the biblical Hebrew text in digital form. The Scriptures are encoded by removing all spaces between words and creating long strings of letters. According to Sherman, vowels are inserted in the strings of letters – the Hebrew alphabet lacks vowels – following standard rules based on the sequence of consonants. Software then analyzes the strings in search of patterns based on equidistant letter sequences.
"The shorter an expression, the easier it is to find," Sherman noted, "but when we find longer statements that have a connection to the actual biblical passage, and we find those longer statements with frequency, it leads us to believe that those statements were purposely implanted in the Bible by God."
Some of the most compelling evidence of a mathematical pattern in the Hebrew text comes from the 53rd chapter of Isaiah, a passage most Bible scholars see as messianic and which Christians have traditionally seen as prophecy about Jesus.
Sherman developed a baseline using non-encoded Hebrew texts as his standard of comparison for determining whether the number of messages he found in a Biblical passage were statistically significant. Isaiah 53 proved to be a rich cluster of hidden messages, containing 42 encoded statements relating to Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension, far more than his baseline predicted.
As evidence, Sherman points to statements such as "Gushing from above, my mighty name arose upon Jesus, and the clouds rejoiced," "Dreadful day for Mary," "In his name as he commanded, Jesus is the way," "Resurrection of Jesus, he is risen indeed," and others that echo Isaiah's prophecy.
It is the coherence between the hidden messages and the Hebrew text from which they are drawn that excites Sherman, who has no interest in predicting the future or looking for new "truths." The messages plucked from the text are more like divine fingerprints.
WorldNetDaily.com
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Post by Rick on Feb 22, 2006 8:37:05 GMT -8
1Th 4:14-17 For if we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, even so God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in Yeshua.
For this we tell you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the chief angel, and with God's shofar. The dead in Messiah will rise first,
then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.
I'm curious if there is a general consensus among members in the forum, regarding the term "Harpazo" in the above passage.
Also what is everyones opinion on "Pre-", "Mid-", and "Post- Trib"?
Shalom,
Rick
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Post by Blake on Feb 22, 2006 15:30:42 GMT -8
I find no evidence in scripture of a secret rapture. The secret rapture theory was developed by catholic theologians to take heat of the pope because during the reformation many were equating the papcy with the antichrist.
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Post by Pioneer on Feb 22, 2006 15:31:57 GMT -8
1Th 4:14-17 For if we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, even so God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in Yeshua. For this we tell you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the chief angel, and with God's shofar. The dead in Messiah will rise first, then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever. I'm curious if there is a general consensus among members in the forum, regarding the term "Harpazo" in the above passage. Also what is everyones opinion on "Pre-", "Mid-", and "Post- Trib"? Shalom, Rick "Mt24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." The speaker makes it quite clear when the resurrection occurs. I believe Him. So in my opinion the "pre-trib, mid-trib" notions are some those pieces of Christian garbage you need to dump! But, just one mans opinion. |
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Post by messimom on Feb 23, 2006 1:07:32 GMT -8
When you take the information from both sets of verses references...
then I can't see how Pre and Mid trib rapture theories hold up. If we are "taken up" before or during the great tribulation, ie Jacobs trouble, then how can there be some of us left alive when Yeshua returns? The Israelites didn't get zapped out of the desert during their 40 years of wandering. And when they finally got to their New Jerusalem, they still had to fight for it. It would make sense that we will have to fight for ours too.
I do however, believe there is a difference between the time of Jacob's trouble and the "day of the Lord". I do believe we will be protected during this time as it is aimed at YHVH's enemies.
Messimom
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Feb 23, 2006 7:35:47 GMT -8
I agree with the general consensus here. There is no indication at all that there will be some sort of "secret rapture." This is a false myth perpetuated by the popular Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins books. As Messimom pointed out, Scripture clearly states that we will live through this time of tribulation. However, I do agree with her that we will be protected when HaShem pours out his wrath upon the earth.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Feb 26, 2006 20:43:06 GMT -8
"I pray not that you would take them from the world, but that you would keep them from the evil one."
- Yochanan/John 17:15
Sounds like we will be staying.
Shalom chaverim,
Reuel
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Post by Golfnerd on Apr 29, 2006 0:07:13 GMT -8
we will not go the way of the Philistines...
(Exo 13:17 NASB) Now when Pharaoh had let the people go, God did not lead them by the way of the land of the Philistines, even though it was near; for God said, "The people might change their minds when they see war, and return to Egypt."
(Exo 13:18 NASB) Hence God led the people around by the way of the wilderness to the Red Sea; and the sons of Israel went up in martial array from the land of Egypt.
Since we are to have a second exodus...one from the people...
(Eze 20:35 KJ2000) And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I enter into judgment with you face to face.
(Eze 20:36 KJ2000) Like I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I enter into judgment with you, says the Lord GOD.
(Eze 20:37 KJ2000) And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
(Eze 20:38 KJ2000) And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and you shall know that I am the LORD.
Why is it that when you try to teach and show others of this false doctrine - and what better way for HaSatan to deceive MANY brethren - they can't/won't accept the truth?
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