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Post by alon on Mar 21, 2013 12:43:03 GMT -8
... I am not dissing the Christians, ... Then allow me ... (just kidding, mods  ) I met another Mesianic rabbi yesterday (they're coming out of the woodwork now  ) and we discussed why Christians get so angry with us when we tell them our views. We agreed, part of the reason is they can see the truth in what we say, and having been told their excuse of ignorance before God is gone. So they dislike and blame us and stubbornly cling to their own way. Maybe the sole use of the Christian name "Jesus" is part of their denial. But as the rabbi said, it was just an excuse, and wouldn't stand anyway. Dan C |
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Post by yiska on Mar 21, 2013 12:51:34 GMT -8
well Yeshua did say, people will hate you because you follow me. Perhaps, more I sit here and think, maybe its more than that, maybe its more than an excuse?  |
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Post by danstevens on Apr 30, 2013 13:24:55 GMT -8
I use Yeshua. It an odd arguement to me. I do know that this is quite the issue with some. Yah hoo shua Yah shoo wa, etc etc reminds me of Paul's advice to Timothy
1 Timothy 6:3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
Notice that Paul Instructs Timothy to focus on sound doctrine.. Not words or controversies
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2 Timothy 2:14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
Where Paul tells Timothy to focus not on wrangling about words but to learn to accuratly handle the truth, which is our way of life.
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Post by alon on Apr 30, 2013 18:40:42 GMT -8
... Notice that Paul Instructs Timothy to focus on sound doctrine.. Not words or controversies 2 Timothy 2:14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. Where Paul tells Timothy to focus not on wrangling about words but to learn to accuratly handle the truth, which is our way of life. He was telling Tim not to engage in senseless, petty arguments. This said nothing about not learning about names. 2 Timothy 14 Keep reminding people of this, and charge them solemnly before the Lord not to engage in word-battles. They accomplish nothing useful and are a catastrophe for the hearers! (CJB) 2 Timothy 14 These things remind [them] of, testifying fully before the Lord -- not to strive about words to nothing profitable, but to the subversion of those hearing; (YLT) Allow me to illustrate where knowing where precisely this topic may be of help: I intervened to bring a brother away from the "Sacred Names" movement here. He was coming off a (Prescripted) Morphine addiction, and was very vulnerable to this kind of teaching. I had to get on the net and study this in order to combat it. I could quote all the scripture I knew at him, but the only way to finally get through to him was to turn their own arguments against them. So knowing a little about the proper way to say His name could be of practical use. Not to mention it is just respectful to want to say someone's name correctly. Dan C |
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Post by sonshines on Oct 4, 2013 17:38:39 GMT -8
I am new and so excited being on this path that "Yah" is taking me! Can someone help me with the "Hebrew" words/names/meanings of the different names of G-d? For one, the YHWH vs the YHVH? Yeshua- Our Salvation? When and how they originated, and if they are in the Tanak/  in its Hebraic writings?  Thank you in advance, Shalom! |
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Post by alon on Oct 4, 2013 22:30:25 GMT -8
Shabbat shalom sonshines!
yud hey vav hey, or English YHVH is how it is spelled in scripture. My understanding is it is properly pronounced (Please do not attempt to spell out the pronunciation of the Holy name on the forum per the rules of the site) Moderator YHWH is not technically wrong since it is a transliteration (attempt to write words in one language as they sound in another); however this form lends itself more to the common mistake of pronouncing the Lord's name with an Arabic slur
Of course, there are a lot of very educated people who will disagree with what I say here. I can only tell you what I learn from the sources I trust. And really, the actual pronunciation is lost to history. So if someone disagrees with how I say 'The Name,' I can probably live with that. Just stay away from the "Sacred Names" crowd because they tend to make things more difficult than necessary ('cause they have th' only truth, don'cha'kno?).
Yeshua is simply the Hebrew word for salvation, and it was a common name for males in the time of Yeshua as well, I believe. Yehoshua is the name "Joshua," and as I understand (take with ample salt) both names can be shortened to "Yeshu" as a term of endearment; much like my name (Daniel) is shortened to Dan in English. However, when referring to Yeshua Himself, I never use the familiar form Yeshu. Always Yeshua.
And that is about as complicated as it needs to be. Let the scholars and Namers argue- I just say Yeshua, and trust that God knows who I mean.
Dan C
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Post by sonshines on Oct 10, 2013 20:54:27 GMT -8
Thank you for the kind welcome!! I have so much to learn, and seems like I have lost so many years from deception in this world. I have been watching some very good online studies who seem to be spot on. But where do I really begin?
And a question re: Mod message in red. I do not understand.. are you referring to letters with the V or the W? Or are you referring to the trying to pronounce HIS name? I am very confused as so many have said HIS name is a memorial to us to remember HIM by as the Hebrew letters meaning: "Behold the Nail Behold the Hand." To me, that is a huge testament of Him---telling the world who He is. Am I wrong? I hope to not be misunderstanding anything.
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Post by Yedidyah on Oct 11, 2013 17:08:04 GMT -8
Thank you for the kind welcome!! I have so much to learn, and seems like I have lost so many years from deception in this world. I have been watching some very good online studies who seem to be spot on. But where do I really begin? And a question re: Mod message in red. I do not understand.. are you referring to letters with the V or the W? Or are you referring to the trying to pronounce HIS name? I am very confused as so many have said HIS name is a memorial to us to remember HIM by as the Hebrew letters meaning: "Behold the Nail Behold the Hand." To me, that is a huge testament of Him---telling the world who He is. Am I wrong? I hope to not be misunderstanding anything. I left everything in the post from Alon we consider ok on the forum. We have no problem with people using YHVH we just don't want people spelling it out how they think it should be pronounced. Hashem (means "The Name") is a great title and what I personally use. Since there is so much division on how the name is to be pronounced and since now-one really knows I feel this is best. I think Father is also a great name to use as that is following in the steps of Messiah when he taught his talmidim how to pray. Trying to spell out the pronunciation of the name is not allowed on the site so I edited that part of the post. Alon (Dan) is a great asset to this site but it is hard to remember all the rules all the time  I pray everyone has a blessed shabbat! Bless and Keep, Yedidyah |
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Post by alon on Oct 13, 2013 21:26:54 GMT -8
... yud hey vav hey, or English YHVH is how it is spelled in scripture. My understanding is it is properly pronounced (Please do not attempt to spell out the pronunciation of the Holy name on the forum per the rules of the site) Moderator I left everything in the post from Alon we consider ok on the forum. We have no problem with people using YHVH we just don't want people spelling it out how they think it should be pronounced. ... Alon (Dan) is a great asset to this site but it is hard to remember all the rules all the time I pray everyone has a blessed shabbat! Bless and Keep, Yedidyah Apologies for the infraction, and thanks for the kind words. I'll try and keep this in mind in the future. Dan C |
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