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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on May 3, 2004 20:13:44 GMT -8
Please share your thoughts on Galations 3:21-25...
"Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could make alive, most certainly righteousness would have been of the law. But the Scriptures imprisoned all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Yeshua the Messiah might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, confined for the faith which should afterwards be revealed. So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Messiah, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Mark on May 28, 2005 4:59:48 GMT -8
When in Driver's Ed, you come to a stop sign, you stop. Why? You stop because there's this guy sitting next to you with a pen and a clip board. After you graduate, do you ignore stop signs? I certainly hope not. No, you recognize the intrinsic value of the law that you were being taught by external forces. You, hopefully, now have that commandment "written on the fleshy tablet of your heart". Paul recognized an amazing thing when gentiles came to know the Messiah. He said, in Romans 2:14 that, though they didn't have the Law, they found themselves living a lifestyle that was in accordance with . Paul goes on to explain this phenominon in Galatians 5:13-25- that the Spirit of God teaches us to avoid the same things that are against and leads us into the obedience of . He quotes the Messiah in Matthew 7:12, to love your neighbor as yourself is to fulfill the Law and the prophets. Interesting, not to abrogate, but to fulfill. Either the Law is a lot simpler than we have come to understand or we don't know very much a bout Love. I suggest that both are true.
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Post by RoRK on May 29, 2005 19:45:27 GMT -8
Shalom
I find this conclusion difficult to digest. Isn't there 613 Mosaic laws? God's supernatural abilities notwithstanding, I find it impossible to believe that believers, in general, will know what these 613 laws are without having read and living in them.
This to me, is a clear sign that Pauline teachings are irrelevant and not only circumvent irrationality but actually proposes it.
In short, Paul tries to be too smart in trying to explain God's Way(s), His Thoughts, His Mannerisms etc. Paul is trying to explain God and in so doing contradicts himself and even Yeshua in numerous instances.
I take this as a clear signal that we should interpret God's Word; rightly so. But we should in no way try to interpret Him. What Paul has always done is to interpret God - that is his greatest folly.
In God's Grace RoRK
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on May 30, 2005 8:42:34 GMT -8
I think that you are assuming that you understand exactly what Rav Sha'ul is saying. I cursory study of the 613 mitzvot quickly reveals that there are relative few commandments out of that 613 that any one person is required to keep. I believe that Mark pointed out that after receiving the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) that it is the new nature of the Gentiles to want to keep . I believe that this is what the passage suggests as this is also what Ezek. 36:26-27 communicates as well. We see that the Gentiles were expected to hear Moshe read in the synagogues as found in Acts. 15:2-21 and as they did those whom where indwelt by the Spirit would naturally start keeping even though they had not been brought up with it. Do not the other talmidim (disciples) and prophets do the same through the leading of the Spirit? Adonai has indeed set up teachers in the body of Messiah to do this. There are no problems here. Shalom, Reuel
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on May 31, 2005 13:31:35 GMT -8
I would agree with this statement. It is a false spirit that leads people away from , the Ruach HaKodesh does the exact opposite.
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