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Post by Dim12trav on Sept 5, 2005 9:31:10 GMT -8
When our father Abraham bowed down to this person and paid tithes to him He acknowledged His right to receive these tithes.
Far before any Levitical or Aaronic priesthood there seems to have been this figure. In the book written to the Hebrews Sh'aul declared the messiah to have this priesthood.
Some people I respect claim that Shem (Noah's son) was still alive and this figure was Him, other's claim that this is a epiphany and that this is really Messiah Himself.
Does anyone have logical reason for either of these two explanations?
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Sept 5, 2005 10:56:24 GMT -8
I believe that the tithe has been that mechanism that YHVH's people have always operated by. Yeshua was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world and has always been according to the order of Melchezedek and yet the tithe was instructed to be brought to the Levitical Priesthood. In other words, both priesthood's existed and operated. But, the  of YHVH makes clear which one is actually commanded. There is no commandment to give a tenth to the Melchezedek priesthood. We must be faithful to what we are actually commanded to do and resist the temptation to do what is right in our own eyes. Of course, at this time there is not a standing Temple, nor is there a valid operating priesthood. So, we cannot at this time follow the true instruction accurately. Although, we can practice the mechanism of tithing until we are actually able to keep the real commandment by giving to ministries that are furthering the Kingdom Of Heaven. But, we should be careful not to pretend that we are doing something that scripture really doesn't command us to do. There is already a thread focusing on the issue of tithing. If we wish to continue that discussion, let us continue there. I also think that this discussion of the Melchezedek fits nicely into the discussion taking place called The Temple, and The Priesthood found here. Shalom b'Yeshua, Reuel |
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Sept 5, 2005 14:25:19 GMT -8
This has absolutely nothing to do with the future Mashiach, as claimed by the writer of 'Hebrews.' But who was Melki-Tzedek?
The answer requires some searching, and brings me to the next question:
According to the Sefer HaYashar (Book of the Upright), Melki-Tzedek was the title given to one of the sons of Noach.... Shem.
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Post by Dim12trav on Sept 6, 2005 7:11:44 GMT -8
Do we know anything more about this title? it is still a mystery. Oh well so many mysteries.
Who bestowed it on Shem?
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Sept 6, 2005 13:11:24 GMT -8
There are many mysteries that will only be revealed to us when Mashiach comes my friend...  |
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Post by Curt on Nov 29, 2005 17:09:45 GMT -8
Who was Melchizedek? He was a king and a priest of God Most High. Genesis 14:18 18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, Melchizedek was a man. Hebrews 7 : 4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils. No one really knows who Melchizedek was. He had no recorded father or mother, no genealogy, no recorded birth date or death. Hebrews 7 : 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually Jesus has a recorded mother and father and a genealogy. 1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham: 2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers. 3 Judah begot Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez begot Hezron, and Hezron begot Ram. 4 Ram begot Amminadab, Amminadab begot Nahshon, and Nahshon begot Salmon. 5 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse, 6 and Jesse begot David the king. David the king begot Solomon by her who had been the wife of Uriah. 7 Solomon begot Rehoboam, Rehoboam begot Abijah, and Abijah begot Asa. 8 Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah. 9 Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah. 10 Hezekiah begot Manasseh, Manasseh begot Amon,[c] and Amon begot Josiah. 11 Josiah begot Jeconiah and his brothers about the time they were carried away to Babylon.
12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begot Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begot Zerubbabel. 13 Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. 14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud. 15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob. 16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ
Melchizedek received tithes from Abraham and his genealogy was not that of the Levitical Priesthood.
4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils. 5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham; 6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
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Curt: Yes, Jesus was chosen from the foundation of the world to be the slain lamb but He was not to assume the Melchizedek Priesthood until after His death and after the first tabernacle was no longer standing. At this time
Hebrews 9 : 7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing
Curt: Jesus officiated as High Priest after His death and after His ascension to heaven.
Hebrews 8:1 We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
Curt: The fact that Melchizedek received tithes of Abraham is evidence there was a commandment to give tithes even if it wasn’t written down. The Ten Commandments weren’t written down until Exodus but they were in effect at least since the creation.
Hebrews 7 : 6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Genesis 3: 17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:
“ Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.” 
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Post by Wavy_Wonder on Dec 7, 2005 21:05:38 GMT -8
Yes, I do believe it was Shem, according to the book of Jasher. I haven't read it, but my dad has and we have it hear.
I need to take a look at it. It's long though.
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Post by Prodigal Girl on Aug 28, 2008 6:32:49 GMT -8
I think that it was Yeshua. At that time (when Abraham met him with the tithe) he would not have been "traceable" with a genealogy etc. So he was known but no one knew where He came from.
Of course "The Rabbis" are going to say he was a son of Shem, which He was, eventually, right? As He was also the son of David. Since David is a son of of Shem. Son meaning descended from him.
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Post by yeshuafreak on Jul 23, 2009 19:29:05 GMT -8
the book of jasher says that melki-tzedek was shem. i have red it, and it is very long but very interesting. i think he is shem. however, some think that the passage cp-ing Yeshua with melki-tzedek is actually saying that melki-tzedek is Yeshua himself. i reather think that melki-tzedek was a living remez of yeshua as was Yhoshua and Yosef,etc. Shem was of the kingly line, Yet still a priest. David was also of the kingly line, and ate of the shew bread. this indicates that he might have had priestly authority. Shem supposedly passed on the priesthood to avraham, who gave it to Yitzeck who gave it to yaakov. eventually, Yeshua ended up with it by inheriting the promises of the avrahamic cov't and through his death and ressuretion, we recieve it as well. it is interesting that Yisrael was to be a kingdom of priests and aa nation of royal priests. yet royalty was of judah and priethood of levi. the passage in speaks of the melki-tzedekan priesthood being granted to the Yisraelites. anyway, melkitzedek has a lot of doctrine tied to him, too much to put here. but i will personally be putting something on him on my forum soon, if you want to see my full doctrine. shalom - john |
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Post by Mark on Jul 26, 2009 5:36:39 GMT -8
A Psalm of David.
The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou at my right hand,
until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion:
rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning:
thou hast the dew of thy youth.
The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent,
Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings
in the day of his wrath.
He shall judge among the heathen,
he shall fill the places with the dead bodies;
he shall wound the heads over many countries.
He shall drink of the brook in the way:
therefore shall he lift up the head.
(Psalms 110:1-7 KJV)
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Post by azgdt5120 on Nov 6, 2009 15:29:13 GMT -8
I read in another forum from a orthodox jewish post that the original hebrew words for this tittle are "Melka Zedek" ( they are hard to translate to english to get the right pronunciation) which in the original means " righteous king"
This is the exact title that it was given as well in the prophetic Psalm by David that Mark posted here as per the Jewish poster.
He was using this argument to refuse the prophetic meaning of the psalm 110, psalm that has been entitled to Yeshua as the Mashiah.
Does someone here is in a position to post the original hebrew words and their real meaning?
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of YHVH makes clear which one is actually commanded. There is no commandment to give a tenth to the Melchezedek priesthood. We must be faithful to what we are actually commanded to do and resist the temptation to do what is right in our own eyes. Of course, at this time there is not a standing Temple, nor is there a valid operating priesthood. So, we cannot at this time follow the true instruction accurately. Although, we can practice the mechanism of tithing until we are actually able to keep the real commandment by giving to ministries that are furthering the Kingdom Of Heaven. But, we should be careful not to pretend that we are doing something that scripture really doesn't command us to do. There is already a thread focusing on the issue of tithing. If we wish to continue that discussion, let us continue 
