Kathy
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Post by Kathy on Apr 3, 2005 7:30:47 GMT -8
I was always hurt by people that tried to convince me that it was ok to eat whatever , (I like romans 14 )I also think the things of G-d are there but must be searched out they are not always easily grasped .
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 4, 2005 22:20:20 GMT -8
Shalom and welcome Kathy!
I agree Rav Sha'ul words ring true...
"Give diligence to present yourself approved by G'd, a workman who doesn't need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth."
- 2Ti. 2:15
What arguments have people presented to you?
Yom tov b'Yeshua HaMashiach,
(Have a good day in Yeshua The Messiah),
Reuel
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Kathy
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Post by Kathy on Apr 5, 2005 6:42:19 GMT -8
I was raised an S.D.A. , so we were strick vegetarians , I was always raised with alot of scientifical proofs of the benefits , it was always very hurtful to have simple little explanations of why we should eat meat , or even be unkosher , I could say nothing because they really dont want to know . Now that I go to a messianic congregation I feel so ok with what I do , I,m vegetarian and others are not , I,v had very few people try to convince me to eat meat , I had a discussion one time and I said , There will be no death in heaven , so it dosent sound like we will eat meat there ! Also if G_d did everything with purpose , why would he change his mind because we are in chapter 2 ( thats what I call the new testament ) any way G_d is holy and blessed above all and I thank G_d for yeshua our only hope and a place like this to grow and learn more Thank you, Kathy
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Apr 5, 2005 8:39:43 GMT -8
Shalom Kathy.
Welcome to Ahavat Elohim! We certainly encourage and promote a forum of understanding and learning here. We all continue to learn more and build each other up every day.
Back to the topic:
It's funny, but it's almost easier to keep kosher and just be a vegetarian. So I understand where you're coming from there.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 5, 2005 21:55:52 GMT -8
Yes, I agree let's stick to the words of Acts chapter 10. There is a thread discussing the subject of kosher eating for Gentiles in the "Practical  Observance" area. Or, if one wishes to discuss some of the passages written by Rav Sha'ul (Paul) we can do that in it's apropriate area. Why do you think that Christianity has been so mislead by this passage regarding Kepha's (Peter's) vision? Any other thoughts? Shalom chaverim, Reuel |
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Apr 6, 2005 15:28:59 GMT -8
I hate to point the finger at Catholicism, but when it came about, it changed the views of the Bible based, believing Christians. The term Catholic means universal because they combine so many religions and ideals with Christianity. |
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Post by Rick on Apr 6, 2005 18:34:31 GMT -8
No arguement here.
Mostly Babylonian/pagan influence.
Especially thanks to the "Conversion" of Constantine,(who waited to be baptised on his deathbed), from where Everything changed. From day of worship, to all the pagan festivals, "Ishtar"(eng. Easter), who was the mother of Tamar,(Mother of god..sound familiar?), celebrating Yeshua's birth on Dec. 25th(Tamars' b-day), etc, etc. I have a piece written on the pagan/catholic practices, traditions, doctrines, etc. but it is type written and not on my pc. I will transcribe it and post it if anyone would be interested in it.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 6, 2005 19:55:53 GMT -8
How many pages is it? If it is too long I recommend using it little by little when a discussion on the subject comes about. Or, you may start a new thread on that subject and use it little by little.
Shalom brother,
Reuel
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Apr 6, 2005 20:42:09 GMT -8
Right on point there. And hey, blame belongs where blame is due.
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Post by Mark on Apr 7, 2005 5:00:35 GMT -8
I'm sorry, but I can't blame the catholics. If it were not for the Macabbees, then Israel would have gone the same way.
I used to pray against Halloween (not off the subject, if you'll bear with me). I prayed that the weather would be miserable and that any barrier would arise to protect my community from the inclination to participate in that diabolical annual event. It never happened. The weather was always nice. Circumstanceswere typically perfect for trick-or-treaters and other celebrators. I asked, "Lord, why do you allow this?!" He answered simply, because they're not Mine."
Israel is divinely protected, even from herself and her own inclinations to depart completely from the Word of Adonai. Constantine was not. He simply continued to be pagan, adding to his base of support by making his version of christianity vogue. It was no different from the Maccabees except for the Maccabees. The Father takes care of His own.
I don't blame the Catholics for being Catholic or for promoting their antinomian christianity. I grieve for all of those who are more comfortable with ignorance than truth. I see the Catholic who places his faith in the traditions of the church as no different from the idolater who bows before the idol of stone (sometimes, I guess they are the same). They need the Good Message of the Messiah who came to save them from themselves, from their sin and to save them for a life of oneness with the Holy Father (their term) in a way that have never realized.
I've had more than one interview with priests. They are wonderful people- just duped. One interview is typically all that they allow me. We spend our entire conversations on who has more authority- the church or the Bible. I pray that the gospel is planted in their lives just as I pray for any other.
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Apr 7, 2005 5:31:15 GMT -8
I think I should clarify my position... I don't hate the Catholics for what they believe (such an attitude is definitely not representative of Judaism). However, I do believe that the responsibility for propagating a -less doctrine and the inclusion of paganism into worship of God can be traced to the "Church Fathers", the Council of Nicea, and the successive leadership thereafter. |
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Post by Mark on Apr 14, 2005 3:52:03 GMT -8
It has always been the method of the diablos to build upon and manipulate truth in a way that causes disobedience. Adonai siad that this was a necessary reality in Deuteronomy 13 so that we would know whether our hearts are truly committed to Him or not. I live in a community where Mormonism is very strong. A Mormon bishop and I have car-pooled to work together for years. I think that has a lot to do with my perspective- the deceived are deceived, no matter what brand or title they put on it. Catholicisim is a success story of the enemy (at least from our perspective), just as is Mormonism. I guess I don't see the Mormons or the Catholics so much as the perpetrators as the victims. It is true that they are lawless and passionate to be so (no more or less than Protestants). I blame us, not our fathers, for being comfortable with the lies we have been taught, for overlooking the inconsistencies, for not desiring a relationship with the Messiah at the expense of our carnality. We will each give an account before YHWH for the position we have held regarding Yeshua and His . We won't be able to stand and say, "The Catholics made me do it." I understand your position and I grieve over the centuries of lawless teaching (mainly because it makes our job so much more difficult). We won't reach our lawless neighbors by telling them how wrong they are in the way that they live. We won't convince them by debating the value of and the bad theology that they've been taught. We'll reach them by living before them, by having a ready answer when they ask (and they will), and demonstrating compassion toward them, not judgment. To keep on track (just a little) it's all about Acts 11. Act 11:1-3, 18 The Scriptures '98 (1) And the emissaries and brothers who were in Yehudah heard that the gentiles also received the word of Elohim. (2) And when Kepha went up to Yerushalayim, those of the circumcision were contending with him, (3) saying, “You went in to uncircumcised men and ate with them!”...(18) And having heard this, they were silent, and praised Elohim, saying, “Then Elohim has indeed also given to the gentiles repentance to life.”<br> |
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Apr 14, 2005 12:55:45 GMT -8
 We must go to everyone who does not follow the word of G-d.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 14, 2005 17:24:43 GMT -8
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Apr 14, 2005 18:11:38 GMT -8
I'm with you here.
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Observance" area. Or, if one wishes to discuss some of the passages written by Rav Sha'ul (Paul) we can do that in it's apropriate area. 
