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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on May 3, 2004 16:33:34 GMT -8
Within the Christian, and Messianic community there seems to be confusion in regards to the covenants of G'd, and whom they apply to. Any starting thoughts on this subject?
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Frank T. Clark on Jun 22, 2004 11:23:45 GMT -8
This is a deep topic because there is really only one covenant and it applies to all God's children. There are two different understandings of the covenant.
The original covenant was based on faith and obedience to the law. Humanity corrupted the understanding of the covenant and made keeping the law the source of salvation. Then they didn't keep the law.
With the life and death of the Messiah God restated the covenant again based on faith and said that He would write the law on our hearts. This changed the keeping of the law to an act of love instead of an attempt to earn salvation.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 22, 2004 11:56:59 GMT -8
Perfect Any other thoughts?
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Post by kwbush on Jun 23, 2004 15:44:08 GMT -8
Baruch HaBa B'Shem Adonai... Halleluyah!
Shalom...
Seems to me there are numerous b'rits with:
A. Noach B. Avraham C. Moshe D. David E. Yeshua...
The first b'rit is with all mankind. The second thru the fourth b'rits primarily to the Hebrew people. The last bringing all mankind into relationship with all the other b'rits...
Ummmmmmmm... something tells me this ain't what y'all are looking for?
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 23, 2004 20:45:16 GMT -8
It is if all the covenants are looked upon as a unit...built upon each other, amending each other, adding better promises with each brit, and applying to all of G-d's people.
Shalom achi,
Reuel
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Post by Mark on Feb 25, 2005 6:56:57 GMT -8
There is really only one Covenant of faith. At each Covenant period, God is refining the same promise, disclosing how this covenant will be revealed.
Remember that the covenant with Abraham was not only that He would be the Father of many nations and that He would possess the land; but that through him all the nations of the world will be blessed.
The covenant with Moses is often confused so that it appears to be conditional- contingent on Israel's obedience. Not so. He says to them, "You will be My people. I will be your God." Then He goes on to lay down the Law, so as to say, "We can either do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way." This position is confirmed Malachai 3:6. "I am the Lord. I change not. This is the only reason you sons of Jacob are not consumed."
As we see the covenants declared, notice that one never contradicts the previous one, only refines the way in which it will be consumated. It is through Abraham's seed, within the house of Israel, from the Tribe of Judah and finally manifested in the person of Yeshua.
One covenant of God does not cancel out nor abbrogate a previous Word of God. If so, God's Word doesn't endure forever does it?
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