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Post by Dim12trav on Sept 2, 2005 7:41:37 GMT -8
There has been a debate for ages about who wrote the book of Hebrews. Some say Paul wrote it others speculte others may have, do any of you have special reasons for choosing one or the other?
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Sept 2, 2005 16:20:34 GMT -8
No other than Rav Sh'aul. I recently went through an extensive study of that book, and it is laid out in such a manner that it could only be written by a scholar of the  and Jewish learning. ie... one who had studied under Gamaliel for most of his life. Not only that, but when examined in light of the TaNaK, it is actually a midrash on Tehillim (Psalms) 110. |
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Post by Ruchamah on Apr 25, 2008 13:56:20 GMT -8
Interesting observations, all of em! I have a hunch it was ole Barnabas, who was a levite and a close compnaion of paul...and timothy, apparently. I say this partly because of this verse:
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. (heb 4:2)
I dont think Paul would have made that statement.
Blessings,
Ruchamah
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Post by Mark on Apr 26, 2008 4:52:37 GMT -8
I was planning to just watch this thread from the side-lines; but I'm very curious, while not challenging your position, why do you suppose that Paul would not use the phrase in Hebrews 4:2?
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Post by Ruchamah on Apr 27, 2008 13:06:46 GMT -8
hey Mark!
Just my opinion, but Paul goes out of his way in other letters to say he didnt learn the good news like others: he heard the Word from the Master himself. So...just my opinion...
Blessings,
Ruch
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Post by jewishjediguy on Apr 27, 2008 20:13:20 GMT -8
No other than Rav Sh'aul. I recently went through an extensive study of that book, and it is laid out in such a manner that it could only be written by a scholar of the and Jewish learning. ie... one who had studied under Gamaliel for most of his life. Not only that, but when examined in light of the TaNaK, it is actually a midrash on Tehillim (Psalms) 110. Shaul wasn't the only educated scholar of the and Jewish learning who had come to Mashi'ach. nor was he the only one to have sat at Gam'liyel's feet. although he is the only one recorded in the scriptures as such, certainly there were others. but this has nothing to do with who the author of the letter to the Iv'rim is. there is speculation and tradition that it was Bar Naba, even Timothiyos or Titos. the Aramaic tradition seems to indicate that it was Shaul who authored Iv'rim by its epilogue at the end of the letter: Finished is the letter that was written to the Iv'rim from Italia of Roma, and sent by the hand of Timothiyos.as many know, Timothiyos was Shaul's side-kick and "son". Yochanan |
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Post by jewishjediguy on May 4, 2008 1:35:05 GMT -8
Interesting observations, all of em! I have a hunch it was ole Barnabas, who was a levite and a close compnaion of paul...and timothy, apparently. I say this partly because of this verse: For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. (heb 4:2) I dont think Paul would have made that statement. Blessings, Ruchamah (heb 4:2) did not Paul Hear the Gospel, even if it was from Messiah himself? this word "preached" means to proclaim, announce, etc. did not Messiah proclaim or announce it to him? ultimately Paul, using a general of term of having a message conveyed to him, would have made such a statement. i am curious to know something though  where/how do you know Bar Naba was a Levite, i cannot seem to find it. i'm not doubting you, just wanting to know, thanks i'm really needing to get a concordance, it would make finding bible verses easier. even with e-sword, i type in levite and barnabbas and other similar things and nothing i'm looking for pops up  Yochanan |
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Post by Ruchamah on May 4, 2008 13:53:03 GMT -8
Yochanan:
Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Ruchamah
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Post by jewishjediguy on May 5, 2008 16:30:05 GMT -8
Yochanan: Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Ruchamah  ya know... i just read that the other day... i must look like a dork Thanks Roo Yochanan |
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Post by applecore on Oct 24, 2008 9:53:31 GMT -8
From my understanding, the tradition among many messianic groups is that this letter was written by James. I've also heard (for what it's worth) that some of the early manuscripts even had his name in the letter. Going slightly beyond speculation is the similarities between some of the themes of Hebrews & the letter of James (the way they describe Abraham's & Rahab's faith, etc). At the end of the day no one can be certain; but I'm looking forward to finding out one day!
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Post by yeshuafreak on Dec 31, 2008 23:52:56 GMT -8
i believe Bar-Nabba wrote it before his dispute with Shaul. cp it with the [glow=red,2,300]epistle of barnabas [/glow](which was written after his dispute with shaul,) [glow=red,2,300]tertulian[/glow] said Bar-Nabba wrote it as well.
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Post by Mark on Jan 1, 2009 4:34:02 GMT -8
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Post by darrell on Jan 18, 2010 14:07:52 GMT -8
Ultimately, I will stick with "I don't know".
I will say this though, for me, if I had to pick a writer (we all know the Author, this is enough), I would opt for Paul: he would have been hated in Jewish (is it okay to use this term? Alas, I'm Irish) circles, hence the anonymity.
I also agree that it was someone well versed in the Law.
Paul heard the gospel before conversion: at Stephens stoning.
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Post by David Ben Yosef on Jan 18, 2010 15:48:40 GMT -8
Any opinion on the author of Hebrews is based on speculation (including mine) since the author chose not to give his name. That most assuredly rules out Sha'ul, however. There were undoubtedly forgeries of Sha'uls epistles circulating during his ministry. He mentions this in Galatians 6:11 & 2Thes 2:2-3. Sha'ul customarily dictated his epistles to a scribe, but after the forgeries began he wrote his epistles by his own hand, even though he had horrible eye sight (the thorn in his flesh) so they could be authenticated. Sha'ul went to great lengths to insure those who received his letters knew that they came from him, and no other. Obviously, this disqualifies Sha'ul as a candidate for the authorship of Hebrews. Besides the fact it's a completely different literary style than Sha'uls.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that the author was currently a part of the Temple priesthood at the time of it's writing. It's highly probable the author was a part of the group of priests who believed in Acts 6:7. There's interior evidence for this view I believe. Not only does this epistle set itself apart from all others in that it deals with the priesthood extensively, but I believe there are clues in the text that indicate the author knew things only a current member of the Temple priesthood would know. I can elaborate if anyone is interested.
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Post by zionlion on Jan 18, 2010 18:10:46 GMT -8
What about Apollos?
He was "mighty in the Scriptures" and eloquent.
Or possibly Aquila?
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and Jewish learning. 
where/how do you know Bar Naba was a Levite, i cannot seem to find it. i'm not doubting you, just wanting to know, thanks 
