Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 27, 2008 22:11:13 GMT -8
Melville, shalom to you my friend,
It has been a while since I have participated on this thread. I have been pouring my time into yeshiva work as I have recently finished my course work for my Bachelor's degree through MBI Yeshiva and am now working towards my Masters that they offer in the area of Rabbinics.
Because we have had numerous rabbit trails and the thread is moving off topic, I will temporarily close it. I am not closing this thread because we have failed at proving our claims, but because the amount of off topic posts have been overwhelming. The numerous large volume and off topic posts can act as smoke being blown into the air, which can result in blurred vision here on the forums. Indeed, we have lost sight of the original thread. Therefore, we will let the dust settle before we reopen the thread to serious discussion. In the meantime, I will address a few of your statements and make a few closing points to help regain the focus of this thread.
I respect and love you as a brother in Messiah. I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish here on the forum, but it doesn't seem that you have come as a student. But, as you are again engaging in the things we cautioned you about previously here on the forum…we are only left to wonder. And, it is my responsibility to uphold the forum standards (please re-read the forums rules and guidelines). At this point there needs to be additional accountability on the forum regarding your posting. I am sorry to say this, but this is the final forum warning. I believe we have been patient.
Please correct me if I am misunderstanding, but if you are definitely apposed to a
pursuant faith, and are continuing on the forums here...I cannot imagine why you would do so unless you are seeking to persuade people to abandon the faith and practice that this forum upholds and teaches (especially in light of your posts). If you are here to learn more about a pursuant faith and practice, and honestly have come to learn and have your questions answered, this forum is most definitely for you, and I will accept that I have acted in error. But, if not, I am again cautioning you not to proceed here on the forum while intentionally promoting anti- pursuant rhetoric. You should know that to continue to do so will result in a suspension of forum privileges.
Your thoughts on this forum seem to be generally summed up in the following quote;
Again, please correct me if I have misunderstood your above statement. I agree with Mark and others that even though you are reading plain words, your understanding of these words, phrases, and idioms are tainted by a Gentile, Greek, and anti- observant mindset. One must keep in mind that all of the writers (even Luke) were Jewish in practice and in their communications. They use words in a way that a Jewish person would understand, as this was much of their audience (even in Gentile populated areas). The writers were Jewish themselves, and communicated in ways that they understood (even when speaking to Gentiles). Also, keep in mind that although many Gentiles had joined the Messianic faith…the audience was still largely Jewish. And, especially when speaking of ritual subjects such as the Priesthood, the Temple, sacrifices, ect....the author most certainly is addressing the Jewish readership as a primary audience. To any learned student of the scriptures, this should be evident.
Therefore, since subjects that are intimate to the Jewish people are being addressed in the book of Hebrews, the Jewish and Hebraic context should most definitely be considered and understood, without which, the reader will be hopelessly lost. Both Jewish and Rabbinic discussion styles, sentence structure, and idioms are being used throughout this book (as they are used throughout the New Covenant writings). This is not a debatable issue. Any serious translator (or someone attempting to interpret) would never consider ignoring these aspects when studying a foreign text. The Hebrew language is full of idioms that can be totally lost on the reader if they have not been educated to identify them. And, these are essential to understanding the text of the scriptures. Any arguments to the contrary will not be taken seriously here. Please also keep in mind the opening statement of the book of Hebrews...
"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beside Your fellows." - Heb. 1:9
If one promotes and teaches the doing away with Adonai's, they immediately contradict the book of Hebrews and it's purpose, to promote righteousness. And, Melville, you have contradicted Messiah's words. Who are we to believe, you, or Messiah?...
"For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven." - Matt. 5:18-19
We are disciples of Messiah and take His words seriously and give precedence to them. Has all prophecy been fulfilled? Has "heaven and earth pass away"?? The Prophet Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah) uses similar language as Messiah Yeshua does when describing the covenants in question...
" When those days come, Y'hudah will be saved, Yerushalayim will live in safety, and the name given to her will be YHVH Tzidkenu [YHVH our Righteousness]." For this is what YHVH says: "There will never be cut off from David a man to occupy the throne of the house of Yisra'el. Nor will there ever be cut off from the cohanim who are L'vi'im a man before me to offer burnt offerings, burn grain offerings and offer sacrifices every day." This word of YHVH came to Yirmeyahu: "Here is what YHVH says: 'If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that daytime and nighttime no longer come when they are supposed to, then my covenant with my servant David also can be broken, so that he will not have a descendant to reign from his throne or L'vi'im who are cohanim to minister to me. To the degree that the armies of heaven are past counting and the sand by the sea past measuring, I will increase the descendants of my servant David and the L'vi'im ministering to me.'" - Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah) 33:16-22
Besides the fact that the above passage is a refutation of your position, it also shows that not all has been fulfilled yet, and that every single bit of still stands and still valid. The prophecy states that the Levi'im (Levites) and the Levitical Priesthood will multiply just as "the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured". Has this happened?? This prophecy has not yet been fulfilled! Or, will you, seeing the plain words of scripture seek to spiritualize it away into thin air as you have sought to do with the book of Yechezk’el (Ezek.)? Really, to say that the book of Yechezk'el is not literal is bit of a stretch and is an obvious and desperate attempt to avoid the scripture itself. It seems very convenient to say something is not literal and spiritualize something away into nothingness when it doesn't mix well with your theology. Especially, when the text doesn't communicate or instruct a non-literal approach to understanding of the Yechezk'el prophecy regarding the Temple and the Priesthood. In addition, by teaching the book of Yechezk'el in this way you are bringing Adonai's words to naught. In this way, you also subtract from the word of Elohim, a heavy violation of scripture. Are you confident enough regarding the book of Yechezk'el to take such a bold step? I would think twice.
The question is, are you a disciple of Messiah, or are you a disciple of Sha'ul (Paul)? I mean, Messiah’s words don’t agree with your interpretation of Sha’ul’s words, or your interpretation of the book of Hebrews. If Sha'ul's words or any other words contradict what Messiah has stated or what the Prophets have already stated, than the text should be absolutely rejected. In fact, if you actually ever succeeded in convincing me of what you are claiming, I would reject the book of Hebrews as not inspired of Elohim. I would also do the same with any other text that I was convinced was contrary to a pursuant life and the words of Messiah. But, in my studies, I am fully convinced that the scriptures in question (book of Hebrews or any of Sha'ul's writings) are in complete harmony with a pursuant faith in the Elohim of Yisrael, and therefore don’t need to be rejected.
But, you should know the potential fruit that your efforts could bear. Many whom have taught similar things as you are teaching here on the forums have caused people to reject the book of Hebrews and the writings of Sha'ul because they believed the false teaching, and were left with no option but to reject a teaching that is against Adonai's pre-established teaching and. And, I don't blame them if they were taught that these works were against the keeping of Adonai's . But, the truth is, when these texts are viewed and understood within the intended Hebrew mindset from which they originated, they are in complete harmony with a life.
You speak as if there has only been two covenants of God; an old one and a new one. You misunderstand the passage as you don’t take into account that God has made many covenants, not just two. Which ones are you referring to as “old”? One should understand that when communicating “old” it speaks of the older status of the covenant, and does not single out one covenant to discontinue. Again, God has many covenants, but they are compound in nature. These covenants are to compliment each other and build upon each other. One doesn’t annul another.
For example, the Noahide covenant (the new covenant in Noah’s day) didn’t annul the covenants and promises given in Adam’s day. The Avrahamic covenant didn’t annul the Noahide covenant, the Mosaic covenant didn’t annul the Avrahamic covenant, and finally, in like manner, the recent Messianic Covenant (Brit Chadashah/New Covenant) doesn’t annul the previous Mosaic covenant. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And, the nature of His covenants are also the same in the sense that they don’t cancel each other out…they only add additional content while the previous promises and stipulations remain intact. But, there is such thing as an “old covenant” in regards to it’s previous content and status (as the previous old status lacked the newer covenant). As a new covenant is added the status of the previous compound covenant waxes away giving way to the new compound covenant. This is how the book of Hebrews is to be understood. It uses covenant language that can be used to describe any one of the covenants of God and the process that takes place as a new covenant is added.
There are aspects of the past covenant(s) that have -not- been fulfilled to this day that Messiah Himself will have the pleasure of fulfilling at His coming (and even after that). How can something be done away with if it hasn't even been fulfilled yet??? That would seem to put God in a precarious position. But, I am sure that HaSatan would love to see this happen, indeed, he has taught this type of theology to many in Christianity. And, from this we see the root of this type of theology…it is thoroughly Satanic in nature. This is one of the serious problems with much of "Christianity" today. I use such heavy language because I am absolutely convinced of this truth, and a rebuke is in order.
So, with that being said, let’s recap some of the important scripture passages addressed in this thread. The following is a future prophecy that has not been fulfilled that directly involves the operation of the Levitical Priesthood....
“and I will give them a sign. I will send some of their survivors to the nations of Tarshish, Pul, Lud (these are archers), Tuval, Greece and more distant coasts, where they have neither heard of my fame nor seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory in these nations; and they will bring all your kinsmen out of all the nations as an offering to YHVH - on horses, in chariots, in wagons, on mules, on camels - to my holy mountain Yerushalayim," says YHVH, "just as the people of Yisra'el themselves bring their offerings in clean vessels to the house of YHVH.
I will also take cohanim and L'vi'im (priests and levites) from them," says YHVH.
"For just as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making will continue in my presence," says YHVH, "so will your descendants and your name continue. "Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in my presence," says YHVH. "As they leave, they will look on the corpses of the people who rebelled against me. For their worm will never die, and their fire will never be quenched; but they will be abhorrent to all humanity." ["Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in my presence," says YHVH.] - Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 66:19-24
Are we dealing with just spiritual Levi'im (Levites) in this previous passage and not real Levites? As we continue to bring up the relevant scriptures (assuming they are literal) we also read the following in the book of Zekharyah (Zechariah)…
"In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO YHVH; and the pots in YHVH'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto YHVH of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of YHVH of hosts."
In our previous passage here we see the description of the altar, and the pot's and bowls that are in The Temple. And, finally we see; "and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them". Clearly the sacrificial system will be in place, and the Temple operating. We should also keep in mind that we see that Rabbi Sha’ul (Paul) didn’t understand the Temple and Priesthood to be done away with (Acts 21:21-24, 26)....
”Now what they have been told about you is that you are teaching all the Jews living among the Goyim to apostatize from Moshe, telling them not to have a b'rit-milah (circumcision) for their sons and not to follow the traditions. "What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. So do what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow. Take them with you, be purified with them, and pay the expenses connected with having their heads shaved. Then everyone will know that there is nothing to these rumors which they have heard about you; but that, on the contrary, you yourself stay in line and keep the”…
“The next day Sha'ul took the men, purified himself along with them and entered the Temple to give notice of when the period of purification would be finished and the offering would have to be made for each of them. “
Was this just a spiritual dream that actually didn’t happen? Or, should we take it literally? Notice how many years after Yeshua The Messiah departed that Sha'ul validated the Temple, and it's Priesthood with his intention to participate with it. Here in the book of Acts Sha’ul was taking a Nazarite vow which included participation with the Temple and the Priesthood (which says includes a sin sacrifice), and he also paid for other men to do the same! I could go on and on to show that, scripturely speaking, your interpretation of the book of Hebrews and the book of Yechezk’el (Ezek.) is misled. I can only hope and pray that you will be honest with yourself and with God, and that you would reconsider your stance on the .
I will conclude with a few additional thoughts on what the scriptures communicate will be the duration of the covenants that you seem to be communicating have been replaced or annulled. This will also answer your question regarding the word “forever” in connection with the covenants of Elohim. Adonai has commanded His covenant (as found in Devarim/Deut. 7:9) to a thousand generations...
"Know therefore that YHVH your God, he is God, the faithful God, which keeps covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations"
In the book of Tehillim/Psalms 105:8 we read,
"He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations."
There are those whom teach that the two passages above are not true, but that God has done away with His covenant that He has commanded to a thousand generations.
Has a thousand generations passed?? Do you know how long a thousand generations is??...in regards to time as we know it...it is Forever. Or, is it a "spiritual" thousand generations, and not really a thousand generations at all? I think not. Our God is a covenant keeping God, and “forever” is qualified here as an unthinkable amount of time. Even if you qualified a "generation" as 30 years, you would have to wait 30,000 years from the time of Moshe (Moses) to claim that the has been done away with. The new Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) will come long before even the most modest estimates of "1000 generations" comes to pass...in other words, this takes us back to Messiah's original statement,
""For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the, until all things are accomplished."
We have a while before this ever happens. In the meantime, I would get used to living a life of...
Please meditate on these things.
And, may the shalom of Yeshua our Messiah be upon you,
Re’uel
It has been a while since I have participated on this thread. I have been pouring my time into yeshiva work as I have recently finished my course work for my Bachelor's degree through MBI Yeshiva and am now working towards my Masters that they offer in the area of Rabbinics.
Because we have had numerous rabbit trails and the thread is moving off topic, I will temporarily close it. I am not closing this thread because we have failed at proving our claims, but because the amount of off topic posts have been overwhelming. The numerous large volume and off topic posts can act as smoke being blown into the air, which can result in blurred vision here on the forums. Indeed, we have lost sight of the original thread. Therefore, we will let the dust settle before we reopen the thread to serious discussion. In the meantime, I will address a few of your statements and make a few closing points to help regain the focus of this thread.
Contrary to the opinions of some, who have misconstrued my words, I did not engage on this forum to be a spoiler.
I respect and love you as a brother in Messiah. I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish here on the forum, but it doesn't seem that you have come as a student. But, as you are again engaging in the things we cautioned you about previously here on the forum…we are only left to wonder. And, it is my responsibility to uphold the forum standards (please re-read the forums rules and guidelines). At this point there needs to be additional accountability on the forum regarding your posting. I am sorry to say this, but this is the final forum warning. I believe we have been patient.
Please correct me if I am misunderstanding, but if you are definitely apposed to a
pursuant faith, and are continuing on the forums here...I cannot imagine why you would do so unless you are seeking to persuade people to abandon the faith and practice that this forum upholds and teaches (especially in light of your posts). If you are here to learn more about a pursuant faith and practice, and honestly have come to learn and have your questions answered, this forum is most definitely for you, and I will accept that I have acted in error. But, if not, I am again cautioning you not to proceed here on the forum while intentionally promoting anti- pursuant rhetoric. You should know that to continue to do so will result in a suspension of forum privileges. Your thoughts on this forum seem to be generally summed up in the following quote;
To these people he makes it very plain, as I quoted, that the New Covenant supersedes the Old one.
Again, please correct me if I have misunderstood your above statement. I agree with Mark and others that even though you are reading plain words, your understanding of these words, phrases, and idioms are tainted by a Gentile, Greek, and anti-
observant mindset. One must keep in mind that all of the writers (even Luke) were Jewish in practice and in their communications. They use words in a way that a Jewish person would understand, as this was much of their audience (even in Gentile populated areas). The writers were Jewish themselves, and communicated in ways that they understood (even when speaking to Gentiles). Also, keep in mind that although many Gentiles had joined the Messianic faith…the audience was still largely Jewish. And, especially when speaking of ritual subjects such as the Priesthood, the Temple, sacrifices, ect....the author most certainly is addressing the Jewish readership as a primary audience. To any learned student of the scriptures, this should be evident. Therefore, since subjects that are intimate to the Jewish people are being addressed in the book of Hebrews, the Jewish and Hebraic context should most definitely be considered and understood, without which, the reader will be hopelessly lost. Both Jewish and Rabbinic discussion styles, sentence structure, and idioms are being used throughout this book (as they are used throughout the New Covenant writings). This is not a debatable issue. Any serious translator (or someone attempting to interpret) would never consider ignoring these aspects when studying a foreign text. The Hebrew language is full of idioms that can be totally lost on the reader if they have not been educated to identify them. And, these are essential to understanding the text of the scriptures. Any arguments to the contrary will not be taken seriously here. Please also keep in mind the opening statement of the book of Hebrews...
"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beside Your fellows." - Heb. 1:9
If one promotes and teaches the doing away with Adonai's
, they immediately contradict the book of Hebrews and it's purpose, to promote righteousness. And, Melville, you have contradicted Messiah's words. Who are we to believe, you, or Messiah?..."For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the
, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven." - Matt. 5:18-19We are disciples of Messiah and take His words seriously and give precedence to them. Has all prophecy been fulfilled? Has "heaven and earth pass away"?? The Prophet Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah) uses similar language as Messiah Yeshua does when describing the covenants in question...
" When those days come, Y'hudah will be saved, Yerushalayim will live in safety, and the name given to her will be YHVH Tzidkenu [YHVH our Righteousness]." For this is what YHVH says: "There will never be cut off from David a man to occupy the throne of the house of Yisra'el. Nor will there ever be cut off from the cohanim who are L'vi'im a man before me to offer burnt offerings, burn grain offerings and offer sacrifices every day." This word of YHVH came to Yirmeyahu: "Here is what YHVH says: 'If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that daytime and nighttime no longer come when they are supposed to, then my covenant with my servant David also can be broken, so that he will not have a descendant to reign from his throne or L'vi'im who are cohanim to minister to me. To the degree that the armies of heaven are past counting and the sand by the sea past measuring, I will increase the descendants of my servant David and the L'vi'im ministering to me.'" - Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah) 33:16-22
Besides the fact that the above passage is a refutation of your position, it also shows that not all has been fulfilled yet, and that every single bit of
still stands and still valid. The prophecy states that the Levi'im (Levites) and the Levitical Priesthood will multiply just as "the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured". Has this happened?? This prophecy has not yet been fulfilled! Or, will you, seeing the plain words of scripture seek to spiritualize it away into thin air as you have sought to do with the book of Yechezk’el (Ezek.)? Really, to say that the book of Yechezk'el is not literal is bit of a stretch and is an obvious and desperate attempt to avoid the scripture itself. It seems very convenient to say something is not literal and spiritualize something away into nothingness when it doesn't mix well with your theology. Especially, when the text doesn't communicate or instruct a non-literal approach to understanding of the Yechezk'el prophecy regarding the Temple and the Priesthood. In addition, by teaching the book of Yechezk'el in this way you are bringing Adonai's words to naught. In this way, you also subtract from the word of Elohim, a heavy violation of scripture. Are you confident enough regarding the book of Yechezk'el to take such a bold step? I would think twice. The question is, are you a disciple of Messiah, or are you a disciple of Sha'ul (Paul)? I mean, Messiah’s words don’t agree with your interpretation of Sha’ul’s words, or your interpretation of the book of Hebrews. If Sha'ul's words or any other words contradict what Messiah has stated or what the Prophets have already stated, than the text should be absolutely rejected. In fact, if you actually ever succeeded in convincing me of what you are claiming, I would reject the book of Hebrews as not inspired of Elohim. I would also do the same with any other text that I was convinced was contrary to a
pursuant life and the words of Messiah. But, in my studies, I am fully convinced that the scriptures in question (book of Hebrews or any of Sha'ul's writings) are in complete harmony with a pursuant faith in the Elohim of Yisrael, and therefore don’t need to be rejected. But, you should know the potential fruit that your efforts could bear. Many whom have taught similar things as you are teaching here on the forums have caused people to reject the book of Hebrews and the writings of Sha'ul because they believed the false teaching, and were left with no option but to reject a teaching that is against Adonai's pre-established teaching and
. And, I don't blame them if they were taught that these works were against the keeping of Adonai's . But, the truth is, when these texts are viewed and understood within the intended Hebrew mindset from which they originated, they are in complete harmony with a life.To these people he makes it very plain, as I quoted, that the New Covenant supersedes the Old one.
You speak as if there has only been two covenants of God; an old one and a new one. You misunderstand the passage as you don’t take into account that God has made many covenants, not just two. Which ones are you referring to as “old”? One should understand that when communicating “old” it speaks of the older status of the covenant, and does not single out one covenant to discontinue. Again, God has many covenants, but they are compound in nature. These covenants are to compliment each other and build upon each other. One doesn’t annul another.
For example, the Noahide covenant (the new covenant in Noah’s day) didn’t annul the covenants and promises given in Adam’s day. The Avrahamic covenant didn’t annul the Noahide covenant, the Mosaic covenant didn’t annul the Avrahamic covenant, and finally, in like manner, the recent Messianic Covenant (Brit Chadashah/New Covenant) doesn’t annul the previous Mosaic covenant. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And, the nature of His covenants are also the same in the sense that they don’t cancel each other out…they only add additional content while the previous promises and stipulations remain intact. But, there is such thing as an “old covenant” in regards to it’s previous content and status (as the previous old status lacked the newer covenant). As a new covenant is added the status of the previous compound covenant waxes away giving way to the new compound covenant. This is how the book of Hebrews is to be understood. It uses covenant language that can be used to describe any one of the covenants of God and the process that takes place as a new covenant is added.
There are aspects of the past covenant(s) that have -not- been fulfilled to this day that Messiah Himself will have the pleasure of fulfilling at His coming (and even after that). How can something be done away with if it hasn't even been fulfilled yet??? That would seem to put God in a precarious position. But, I am sure that HaSatan would love to see this happen, indeed, he has taught this type of theology to many in Christianity. And, from this we see the root of this type of theology…it is thoroughly Satanic in nature. This is one of the serious problems with much of "Christianity" today. I use such heavy language because I am absolutely convinced of this truth, and a rebuke is in order.
So, with that being said, let’s recap some of the important scripture passages addressed in this thread. The following is a future prophecy that has not been fulfilled that directly involves the operation of the Levitical Priesthood....
“and I will give them a sign. I will send some of their survivors to the nations of Tarshish, Pul, Lud (these are archers), Tuval, Greece and more distant coasts, where they have neither heard of my fame nor seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory in these nations; and they will bring all your kinsmen out of all the nations as an offering to YHVH - on horses, in chariots, in wagons, on mules, on camels - to my holy mountain Yerushalayim," says YHVH, "just as the people of Yisra'el themselves bring their offerings in clean vessels to the house of YHVH.
I will also take cohanim and L'vi'im (priests and levites) from them," says YHVH.
"For just as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making will continue in my presence," says YHVH, "so will your descendants and your name continue. "Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in my presence," says YHVH. "As they leave, they will look on the corpses of the people who rebelled against me. For their worm will never die, and their fire will never be quenched; but they will be abhorrent to all humanity." ["Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in my presence," says YHVH.] - Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 66:19-24
Are we dealing with just spiritual Levi'im (Levites) in this previous passage and not real Levites? As we continue to bring up the relevant scriptures (assuming they are literal) we also read the following in the book of Zekharyah (Zechariah)…
"In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO YHVH; and the pots in YHVH'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto YHVH of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of YHVH of hosts."
In our previous passage here we see the description of the altar, and the pot's and bowls that are in The Temple. And, finally we see; "and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them". Clearly the sacrificial system will be in place, and the Temple operating. We should also keep in mind that we see that Rabbi Sha’ul (Paul) didn’t understand the Temple and Priesthood to be done away with (Acts 21:21-24, 26)....
”Now what they have been told about you is that you are teaching all the Jews living among the Goyim to apostatize from Moshe, telling them not to have a b'rit-milah (circumcision) for their sons and not to follow the traditions. "What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. So do what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow. Take them with you, be purified with them, and pay the expenses connected with having their heads shaved. Then everyone will know that there is nothing to these rumors which they have heard about you; but that, on the contrary, you yourself stay in line and keep the
”…“The next day Sha'ul took the men, purified himself along with them and entered the Temple to give notice of when the period of purification would be finished and the offering would have to be made for each of them. “
Was this just a spiritual dream that actually didn’t happen? Or, should we take it literally? Notice how many years after Yeshua The Messiah departed that Sha'ul validated the Temple, and it's Priesthood with his intention to participate with it. Here in the book of Acts Sha’ul was taking a Nazarite vow which included participation with the Temple and the Priesthood (which
says includes a sin sacrifice), and he also paid for other men to do the same! I could go on and on to show that, scripturely speaking, your interpretation of the book of Hebrews and the book of Yechezk’el (Ezek.) is misled. I can only hope and pray that you will be honest with yourself and with God, and that you would reconsider your stance on the .I will conclude with a few additional thoughts on what the scriptures communicate will be the duration of the covenants that you seem to be communicating have been replaced or annulled. This will also answer your question regarding the word “forever” in connection with the covenants of Elohim. Adonai has commanded His covenant (as found in Devarim/Deut. 7:9) to a thousand generations...
"Know therefore that YHVH your God, he is God, the faithful God, which keeps covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations"
In the book of Tehillim/Psalms 105:8 we read,
"He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations."
There are those whom teach that the two passages above are not true, but that God has done away with His covenant that He has commanded to a thousand generations.
Has a thousand generations passed?? Do you know how long a thousand generations is??...in regards to time as we know it...it is Forever. Or, is it a "spiritual" thousand generations, and not really a thousand generations at all? I think not. Our God is a covenant keeping God, and “forever” is qualified here as an unthinkable amount of time. Even if you qualified a "generation" as 30 years, you would have to wait 30,000 years from the time of Moshe (Moses) to claim that the
has been done away with. The new Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) will come long before even the most modest estimates of "1000 generations" comes to pass...in other words, this takes us back to Messiah's original statement,""For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the
, until all things are accomplished."We have a while before this ever happens. In the meantime, I would get used to living a life of
...Please meditate on these things.
And, may the shalom of Yeshua our Messiah be upon you,
Re’uel
