Titus 2:1-15 "Stay at home Mother's?"

[veggirl]

When I was reading my bible this week, I noticed a few things.
Titus :: (King James Version

2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

2:6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.

2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

2:9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;

2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

When I was reading this, to me it sounds like that Married women should stay home and take care of there family.
Is this what it's saying?

I also listen to Dr. James Dobson he agreed with what the bible says about stay at home mother's .. If you're christian married with kids, its best for the Mother to be at home.
He even said that some people would not agree and many women got mad at him for saying this.. He also said that people would say we need two incomes or we just won't make it.. He pretty much said this was not true, people do it all the time with one income.

I would have to agree.. Messinaic, christian , believe's in the word..
Married women with kids should stay home..

Peace&love Bri'gette..

[Sanil]

Which part of this convinces you mothers should stay at home? I disagree with that and don't see that instruction anywhere in the verses you used. I understand women wanting to stay at home and agree that in some cases this is the best thing for a family, but it is not the case for all and I do not agree with a blanket statement that women have to stay in the home. I plan to marry and to have children, and I will work, both at home and outside it, and I will still keep my household and do all that a mother and wife should. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[veggirl]

When I read it , it sounds like Adoni wants us to be at home with our kids. I am still learning the bible. This is what I got from my readings.
I know many women that stay home now because they was not able to do all three.
Even the women that do all of it say its not easy and they would like to stay at home.

When I was married 9years ago, I didn't have to work but worked in my home took summers off. I could not even think of putting my kids in a daycare.. : (
I missed them even when we were sleeping.. We all got up so happy together..

I also had my own daycare 10years. I seen the otherside of things.
I was not a christian, when I was married.. We didn't know the lord at all..

Now I am single 9years now, an I do it all, but only work part-time. I would not want to miss my kids growing up.. We maybe live with not much money,. but we have it good with the lord. and how close we all are.. I praise him for that..

Peace&love.. Bri'gette..

[Mark]

Titus 2:5 describes the godly woman as a "keeper at home" but the Proverbs 31 description demonstrates a woman of industry in the market place. I suppose this could mean that she in only allowed to sell Amway, or it is possible that the Proverbs 31 woman is describing different stages of her life (though it appears that King Lemuel's mom is trying to identify the ideal bride for her son).

I think it is most likely that we read these texts without balance. The home is the passion of the woman. This is keenly built into the way God designed her; yet, the circumstances that dictate the way she will "keep" that home may not be the same for each individual.

I am a very strong supporter of stay-at-home Moms (having been married to one for 17 of our nineteen years of marriage. I also support home-schooling and home-births and home-fellowships and lots of things that I believe that God designed as making each individual family responsible for the way that their lives are managed.

But, I also don't live in a vacuum, assuming that, while the decisions I and my family have made are best for us, they may not describe what is best for some others, still carrying the responsibility to live as biblically as they are able.

[veggirl]

Thank you Mark,

I am just trying to understand more of God's word, I am thinking that Adoni has a place for each women thats a servent of his.
Is this right?

Do we have callings also?

Mark, I do agree with the home schooling, home birth , home fellowship? (Not just home fellowships right? The lord don't mind if its not in a home. right?

I found a fellowship praise the lord, it took a long time too, but the lord found one for us, its all the way in coeur d alene idaho about 34miles away, its all worth it.
Its not at home fellowship> but in a building after people go in a home to fellowship and to eat.

I was invited to a fellowship at home, but it was to late I found
Beth Shalom, I am sure the Lord sent us there.

[lawrenceofisrael]

Just one point from my personal experience. My mother stayed at home shortly after i was born and now 19 years later she still is (my youngest sister ist 4 years). That helped me and my silblings a lot. We always had warm food on the table, somebody to help us with the homework and someone to play with.
If it hadn´t been for her i think a huge part of my life as a child would not have been that pleasant.

[veggirl]

Thats wonderful lawrenceofisrael,

My mom was a stay at home mother also, but we didn't have the lord in our life,, she is a pretty good mommy,, My mom had a hard life,, I don't blame her for anything ,, I know shes trying to live a life for the lord,,,


peace&love bri'gette

[lawrenceofisrael]

that´s good to hear. My family though is traditional protestant christian and very ignorant when i try to prove my way to them. my brother also at times laughs at me for growing a beard.
So i still need something to happen or maybe somebody else to talk to them (it´s a bit difficult to preach to your own family) so that they may know the truth.
peace and blessings be upon you.

[veggirl]

lawrenceofisrael,

I am sorry = *( I am sure you're parents will find there way.
By the way you live you're life... I am sure your parents have some truth don't they?

Peace&love Bri'gette.


PS :: the growing a beard thing,,, its ok but some of the men go over board,,,

Yeshua was clean cut rugged hebrew man.. ( Jewish)

[ken]

Veggirl,

It looks like you have many fine responses; someone pointed to Proverbs 31, this is traditionally recited to the wife by the husband, once a week, on Shabbat.

I do not believe there is scripture that says a wife must be a stay at home wife; though, a wife is what makes the home wonderful.

Proverbs 31:10-31 - (Eshet Chayil)
10 An excellent wife who can find?
She is far more precious than jewels.
11 The heart of her husband trusts in her,
and he will have no lack of gain.
12 She does him good, and not harm,
all the days of her life.
13 She seeks wool and flax,
and works with willing hands.
14 She is like the ships of the merchant;
she brings her food from afar.
15 She rises while it is yet night
and provides food for her household
and portions for her maidens.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard.
17 She dresses herself with strength
and makes her arms strong.
18 She perceives that her merchandise is profitable.
Her lamp does not go out at night.
19 She puts her hands to the distaff,
and her hands hold the spindle.
20 She opens her hand to the poor
and reaches out her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of snow for her household,
for all her household are clothed in scarlet.
22 She makes bed coverings for herself;
her clothing is fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates
when he sits among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them;
she delivers sashes to the merchant.
25 Strength and dignity are her clothing,
and she laughs at the time to come.
26 She opens her mouth with wisdom,
and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.
27 She looks well to the ways of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children rise up and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “Many women have done excellently,
but you surpass them all.”
30 Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain,
but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands,
and let her works praise her in the gates.

Grace and peace be with you,
Ken

[veggirl]

Thank you Ken,

I know there are many different views on stay at home moms these days, I do believe if a women is married and has kids then she must be a stay at home mother.
I know theres scripture some where in the bible, theres scripture for every thing else why not this?

Women need to start being women not men!

What's I don't understand people having kids if they put them in daycare? Thats odd to me, they won't get to see there kids much = (

In all of my years of doing daycare and before school care I seen a lot.
I am not looking down on any women at all,, I am one = )
I just know we have a special place in life ,, and thats at the feet of our God.

I was a stay at home mother for 5years then I got divorced 11years ago, the hardest thing was putting my kids in daycare I hated it = (
I also worked in my home I stopped doing daycare and went to college..
and it got worse I went into a mansfield.. I have 4000 hours of residential carpentry under my belt ... and 2 years of apprenticeship painting ,, I got paid very good money over 25hourly..
and I keep getting laid off ,, holy cow what a hard hard job..

Now I am living for the lord I could not even think about doing that kind of work again.
It kind of made me hate men some, and I was a team player always got a long with everyone it was just hard work,, and men do gossip..
being out in the world is hard core, people work there butts off for little pay...
It can be stressful.
I see people stress out all the time.
I know God wants us to have a wonderful life and not stress out.
anyways..

Peace&love Bri'gette

[ken]

Veggirl,
Going it alone is a very difficult task, even with two is it difficult; it is hard for us to imagine how life use to be. There was a time when there was extended families; in other words, the man worked and the woman worked, possibly making clothes preparing food etc., and the grandparents raised the children.

The grandparents had the patience and wisdom to teach the children what is important; the family keeps being separated and each member compartmentalized away from each other only to be taught by strangers. Even when families are together the TV replaces the quality time that would have been spent learning from our elders and our elders do not have the wisdom they once had.

Grace and Peace be with you,
Ken

[veggirl]

Ken, = )
Thank you,.

I know times are different, I bet it was wonderful back then.
I am just saying if the women is able to be a stay at home mom why not just do it.

That would be so fun living back in those days,.,, I think they had very good morals,, making there own clothes and cooking veggie food all helping each other out all the time ,, I bet they had so much love in there hearts for one another..

Nowdays, I think it might be one man for him self. Pretty scary..

I don't have a TV,, praise God if I did,, my daughter and maybe my son would have it on all the time.. No Tv.. No internet at home..
We use the county library one hour a day if we come... This does really help.. Then we have time for teens and for kids we do these together.. I even learn something from them...
I never really new how important family was until I came to the lord, wow I see things in a new scope. I like what I see also.. I love being a mommy and loved my kids.. they are teens now but still my baby's ...

Peace&love bri'gette

[veggirl]

Oh I was looking for this yesterday and could not find my post.. Now I know women are to stay home with there children and be a help meet to there husband and its in the B*I*B*L*E

[veggirl]

Sanil,

if you plan to marry and have children, then you have to stay home, and raise your children and be a help meet to your husband! Its in the bible, why would mothers want to work if they have children? so a daycare can raise them? ..
So are you saying Gods word is a blanket statement

Peace~ bri'gette