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Post by yearn2learn on Jul 30, 2005 8:44:08 GMT -8
Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27
Can you help me understand what He was referring to?
"Some standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power."
Does this have something to do with the transfiguration or after his ressurection? Surely it doesn't have to do with His Second Coming like some claim it does!
Help me understand this! What does the kingdom of God mean?
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 31, 2005 14:41:19 GMT -8
Perhaps His statement did deal with his tranfiguration as some of the talmidim (disciples) caught a glimpse of The Kingdom of Heaven before they died as our King was transfigured into His glorified state along with Moshe and Eliyahu. Or, maybe He was referring to the following passage...
"Natan'el answered him, "Rabbi, you are the Son of G'd! You are King of Yisra'el!"
Yeshua answered him, "Because I told you, 'I saw you underneath the fig tree,' do you believe? You will see greater things than these!"
He said to him, "Most certainly, I tell you, hereafter you will see heaven opened, and the angels of G'd ascending and descending on the Son of Man."
- Yochanan 1:49-51
But, I tend to lean towards the transfiguration as it is in the immediate context of Yeshua's statement. And, perhaps there is something here that we truly don't understand or maybe we don't have enough information to make a sound judgment at this time. This is one of those questions I will have to ask at the return of Yeshua our King. Any other thoughts?
Shalom chaverim,
Reuel
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Post by messimom on Jul 31, 2005 23:31:29 GMT -8
I wish I was better at remembering verses and such, but I'm not so I'll just have to be really unclear here.  I have heard before that the "kingdom of G-d" can refer to Yeshua being on earth. He brings the kingdom of G-d. And after being resurrected into his perfect body the kingdom of G-d has been "fulfilled" or atleast the beginning of it being brought to fruition as Yeshua being the first fruits resurrected. So in saying that, Yeshua meant that they would see him die and be resurrected as YHVH's first fruit before their deaths. Just a theory I have heard. Messimom |
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Aug 9, 2005 17:05:35 GMT -8
The Kingdom of G-d is the believers. We see the Kingdom of G-d even today and some of these who were present did not taste death because they believed in Moshiach and because of it were forgiven of their sins. There are certain sins which can only be forgiven when one dies, (this is the reason for the death penalty) however, through Moshiach, these sins are forgiven immediatly. Therefore one can read this two ways (Even when I read it in hebrew you can still read it one of these ways) A) They would not need to die with their sins because of the gift of Yeshua HaMoshiach; or the more likely B) There were some who were righteous enogh to merit to see the resurection of Moshiach. They merited the fact that they would see all the new things and see the resurection of the dead and the new life in Moshiach.
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Post by Mark on Aug 14, 2005 3:39:13 GMT -8
Another theory which is equally our speculation is that Yeshua may have been refering to the tongues of fire in Acts 2 - The "kingdom of God coming in power", in this hypothesis, emphasises that the kingdom is coming to us rather than our being taken up to it. The power spoken of is that ability given to the disciples to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons. No conclusions here, just stirring the soup.
Mark
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Post by Blake on Aug 15, 2005 15:15:25 GMT -8
Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27 Can you help me understand what He was referring to? "Some standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power." Does this have something to do with the transfiguration or after his ressurection? Surely it doesn't have to do with His Second Coming like some claim it does! Help me understand this! What does the kingdom of God mean? When the Messiah rose from the grave he defeated death itself and took over rulership of this world away from Satan because death no longer seperates us from God for eternity. Because of his ressurection we will rise again to eternal life. When Messiah rose from the dead he established his kingdom. |
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from Sinai and transmitted it to Yoheshuah; Yoheshuah to the Shoftim; the Shoftim to the Nev'yim; and the Nev'yim transmitted it throughout Judea. It came BACK to Yohshuah HaMoshiach who retransmitted it to the rest of the world through Reb Sha'ul and Reb Cephas.
