Orthodox Jewish Bible

[jimmie]

Jun 11, 2015 11:07:35 GMT -8 alon said:

[There is no sorrier sight than a couple of Mountaineers woken by the collapsing of their igloo, unless it is someone misled enough by scripture they miss the mark because their understanding of the original meaning of the Word is skewed, lost in translation.

Dan C

The sorriest site of all though is one appointed unto destruction thou he has a perfect translation. Dan 5.

[jimmie]

Jun 11, 2015 11:07:35 GMT -8 alon said:

[ Eskimos, for example, have numerous terms for what we just call “snow”.
Dan C

"In fact, the Eskimo–Aleut languages have about the same number of distinct word roots referring to snow as English does"

From:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow

[alon]

Jun 17, 2015 14:27:45 GMT -8 jimmie said:

Jun 11, 2015 11:07:35 GMT -8 alon said:

[ Eskimos, for example, have numerous terms for what we just call “snow”.
Dan C

"In fact, the Eskimo–Aleut languages have about the same number of distinct word roots referring to snow as English does"

From:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow

From your own quoted source:

Eskimo words for snow

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The claim that Eskimo languages have an unusually large number of words for snow is a widespread idea first voiced by Franz Boas and often used as a cliché when writing about how language may keep us more or less alert to the differences of the natural world. In fact, the Eskimo–Aleut languages have about the same number of distinct word roots referring to snow as English does, but the structure of these languages tends to allow more variety as to how those roots can be modified in forming a single word. A good deal of the ongoing debate thus depends on how one defines "word", and perhaps even "word root".

Just a bit ambiguous, wouldn't you say? They have more words describing the specific attributes of snow built into their language. Things it would take an English snow scientist paragraphs, if not pages to describe are expressed as one word to them! That they are built off of a root word makes them no less distinctively words.

Point two: It has been pointed out to you many, many times on this forum that there are not any perfect translations. Furthermore the translation you generally champion, the KJV, has a whole lot of errors, many if not most of them intentional! And because our training and education tends to stay with us, clouding our perception, most English translations have errors handed down because we and even the translators are still learning, still figuring this all out. Even Messianic translations such as the CJB and ISR have errors; and it is tough for us to get past our own learnin' to see where those are. But we are responsible to read the Word with discernment, learning from each other (with even more discernment), and led in all by the Ruach.

Dan C

Edit: for the record, I've studied snow and have quantified its physical properties in the field. I've also studied the Bible, and try with a modicum of success to understand what is written. I regret to say I am not a linguist; but when presented with information from linguists I can generally understand their point. Eskimos know snow, and the Jews were appointed to guard the Oracles of God- not the Greeks nor the Romans nor the English.

[jimmie]

No ambiguity that I can see. You take the three basic words for snow and add prefixes and/or suffixes to from new words. Just as it is done in Hebrew: For example:
Bethel: House of God
Bethany: House of figs
Bethlehem: House of Bread
Beth-shemesh: house of the sun
Beth-haram: House of the high place
Beth-shean: House of rest
Beth-dagan: House of the fish god
Beth-baal-peor: House of the lord of the opening
Abel-beth-Maacah: meadow of the house of Maacah
Bethpelet: house of escape
Beth-eden: house of pleasure
Beth-birei: house of the creative one
Each is a new word, formed form roots to make the new compound word. In each word, the root “beth” is house and the other part of the word describes the house. It is the same in the Eskimos’ language when forming words describing snow. Distinctive words on the other hand do not share common roots. The following is a list of distinctive words that describe different forms of water in the English language: water, snow, ice, sleet, steam, vapor, cloud, rain, drizzle, mist, sprinkle, dew, drink, fog, river, stream, brook, branch, spring, creek, ocean, sea, brackish, brine, lake, pond, puddle, swamp, seep, sewerage, spa, urine, perspiration, sweet, tears, saliva, spit, aqua, hydra, H2O, well, wet, damp, soaked, emulsion, and I haven’t even used any compound words such as backwater, waterscape, watermelon, water-jacket, water-logged, waterfall, water-course, water-hammer, waterpower, waterspout, water supply, and waterworks I guess us Angels know water and it would take an Eskimo scientist a whole dictionary to describe our words for water.
I have successfully refuted the claims of errors many times on this forum as you have from time to time acknowledged. I have also been unsuccessful at refuting the claims of errors though I know I was right. And at times I have not even tried to refute the claims because my knowledge was too limited to attempt. In most of those cases, I agree with what is being said about the passage but do not agree that the English version does not teach the same thing. I agree that we are responsible to read the Word with discernment, learn from each other, and be led by the Spirit.
For the record, I have never studied snow. But I know when it will make a good snow-cream or snow-man and when it will make a northerner, who has seen a whole lot more snow than I have, scratch his head and say, what the heck is that? I am not a linguist either but have studied enough to know that translation between languages can be accomplished and that a lot of stuff taught by “Hebrew Roots” people is just as much wrong as things taught by Catholics. Israel was appointed by God to disperse His Oracles to the Greeks, Romans, English and others not to keep them away from His Oracles.

[alon]

Jun 18, 2015 8:23:46 GMT -8 jimmie said:

... Each is a new word, formed form roots to make the new compound word. ...

So then the question becomes, what is the problem? You say the new words ARE words, yet you argue they don't have these words because they share a common root. You are arguing for the sake of arguing, and you make no sense. I let this discussion drop once- allowed you to go out with the last word. I think it is time to do so again as opposed to exposing the forum to an endless barrage of verbal sparing.

... I am not a linguist either but have studied enough to know that translation between languages can be accomplished and that a lot of stuff taught by “Hebrew Roots” people is just as much wrong as things taught by Catholics. Israel was appointed by God to disperse His Oracles to the Greeks, Romans, English and others not to keep them away from His Oracles.

No one here, myself included, teaches Hebrew Roots. And no one said the Hebrews were to keep the Oracles of God to themselves. Frankly I resent the cheap shot insinuating I teach that. Probably best we just leave it at that.

Dan C

[jimmie]

The problem is, I don’t seem to be able to explain the difference between a compound (or dependent) word and root word (independent word). In the Eskimos’ language all words dealing with snow have one of the three basic words for snow contained in it and then a descriptive portion of the word. Where as in the English example of water, I listed 45 unrelated terms dealing with water. I am not saying either language is wrong or right. Rather that both languages can be used to convey ideas. And the same idea can be expressed in both languages. What I am arguing in favor of is that the Oracles of God can be expressed in any and all languages.

I can’t see a difference in between what “Hebrew Roots” teaches and what is taught here in regards to language. In other concepts/doctrines most definitely there is a difference. I should have been more precise.

Not to justify my cheap shot, but you have taken more than a few cheap shots at me. I ask your pardon for implying that you are trying to conceal the Oracles of God.