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Post by garrett on Nov 12, 2019 2:48:25 GMT -8
These scriptures tell us that to blaspheme the holy spirit is an unforgivable sin. I'm not sure I have my mind made up about what this particular sin is. The closest I can say is that it's to revile G-d so much, with full scriptural knowledge of him, yet you still harden your heart. I don't know. But deathbed conversions still happen. (This is written from my phone so I apologize for the lack of content).
Hope everyone is well -Garrett
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Post by alon on Nov 12, 2019 3:51:44 GMT -8
These scriptures tell us that to blaspheme the holy spirit is an unforgivable sin. I'm not sure I have my mind made up about what this particular sin is. The closest I can say is that it's to revile G-d so much, with full scriptural knowledge of him, yet you still harden your heart. I don't know. But deathbed conversions still happen. Read in context:Mark 3:22, 28-30 (ESV) And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “by the prince of demons he casts out the demons.” ... “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— for they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
So this passage starts and ends with saying those men were telling others the work of the Ruach, the Spirit of Almighty God was the work of an unclean, or demonic spirit. To say this of someone destroys their witness, besides insulting Abishter. So we need be careful not only what we say of God, but of what we say of others who may be doing God's work. These men had just witnessed miracles, and they had heard what they should have recognized as truth from the ancient writings they were raised on. And their response was to say it was all the work of demons.
By this I'd say the unforgivable sin is to attribute the work of the Ruach HaKodesh to demonic spirits. Just how I read it: in context.
Dan C
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Post by garrett on Nov 14, 2019 8:59:03 GMT -8
These scriptures tell us that to blaspheme the holy spirit is an unforgivable sin. I'm not sure I have my mind made up about what this particular sin is. The closest I can say is that it's to revile G-d so much, with full scriptural knowledge of him, yet you still harden your heart. I don't know. But deathbed conversions still happen. Read in context:Mark 3:22, 28-30 (ESV) And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “by the prince of demons he casts out the demons.” ... “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— for they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
So this passage starts and ends with saying those men were telling others the work of the Ruach, the Spirit of Almighty God was the work of an unclean, or demonic spirit. To say this of someone destroys their witness, besides insulting Abishter. So we need be careful not only what we say of God, but of what we say of others who may be doing God's work. These men had just witnessed miracles, and they had heard what they should have recognized as truth from the ancient writings they were raised on. And their response was to say it was all the work of demons.
By this I'd say the unforgivable sin is to attribute the work of the Ruach HaKodesh to demonic spirits. Just how I read it: in context.
Dan CI hear you but it's still hard to wrap my head around this one. I'm not fully convinced that this is the answer. And what of those who blaspheme the Spirit after the crucifixion and resurrection of Messiah? Can this sin be forgiven now (in the context of Messiah's work)?
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Post by alon on Nov 14, 2019 11:06:12 GMT -8
Read in context:Mark 3:22, 28-30 (ESV) And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “by the prince of demons he casts out the demons.” ... “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— for they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
So this passage starts and ends with saying those men were telling others the work of the Ruach, the Spirit of Almighty God was the work of an unclean, or demonic spirit. To say this of someone destroys their witness, besides insulting Abishter. So we need be careful not only what we say of God, but of what we say of others who may be doing God's work. These men had just witnessed miracles, and they had heard what they should have recognized as truth from the ancient writings they were raised on. And their response was to say it was all the work of demons.
By this I'd say the unforgivable sin is to attribute the work of the Ruach HaKodesh to demonic spirits. Just how I read it: in context.
Dan C I hear you but it's still hard to wrap my head around this one. I'm not fully convinced that this is the answer. And what of those who blaspheme the Spirit after the crucifixion and resurrection of Messiah? Can this sin be forgiven now (in the context of Messiah's work)? You aren't alone. I bet all believers ask themselves about this at some point in their walk. And Abishter doesn't mind us asking the hard questions like this. He allowed Moshe to question and intercede, and Avraham before him bargained with Him about sparing (of all things) Sodom. Whatever the answer, in the end we must trust in our Shofit as a fair judge. I've said many times I don't know where the line is demarcating salvation, and that is true here as well. I'm just glad God, not me makes that decision.
As to it's being forgiven now in the context of HaMoshiach Yeshua, I'd say He is the same yesterday as today, so there is no difference in His salvation or His judgement. We are not under a different "dispensation." Dispensation theology is a relatively new Christian interpretation. They take a truth, that the Almighty revealed Himself over time in different stages and make that into something saying something different was required of every dispensation, which is marked by some major new revelation. They'd almost be right, except they develop this theology to say salvation changes in each new dispensation. But God said He doesn't change, and I believe Him.
By the way, not every Christian buys into the dispensational hoax. I remember my dad (a Southern Baptist minister) preaching years ago on how salvation is and has always been the same.
Dan C
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