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Post by petrifb64 on Jun 27, 2013 21:44:23 GMT -8
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Post by alon on Jun 29, 2013 23:17:52 GMT -8
This would be the proof that Yeshua is God? It's a good bit of inferred logic. Never really thought of it like that before, but it could lend support to that claim. There is no doubt in my mind that Yeshua is God, co-equal and co-eternal, so I'm more readily disposed to believe your claim. Might be instructive to see what a Unitarian would say about it. Dan C
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Post by zionlion on Jun 30, 2013 6:59:49 GMT -8
There is no doubt in my mind that Yeshua is God, co-equal... Shalom, alon. Please explain your understanding of "co-equal". Thanks.
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Post by alon on Jun 30, 2013 7:42:04 GMT -8
Shalom, alon. Please explain your understanding of "co-equal" ... Shavuah tov, z.l.! If Yeshua is God, then He is equal to the Father and the Spirit in every way. So that would be the "co" part of the "equal" statement. They work together in agreement. My idea of who God is has changed somewhat since becoming Messianic; though like most things I'm still learning and still cogitating. I do not believe the Father, Son and Spirit are necessarily three separate parts of the Godhead. That is just one possibility. However, since we are talking about an infinite God we'd have to consider these as possibly One God manifesting Himself in different ways. All I can say for sure is that I believe Yeshua IS God, which means He is equal to every other part of God. To believe He is less would to believe in more than one god, which is paganism. Hope that was almost clear ... Dan C
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Post by zionlion on Jun 30, 2013 16:15:52 GMT -8
If Yeshua is God, then He is equal to the Father and the Spirit in every way. So that would be the "co" part of the "equal" statement. They work together in agreement. So you're speaking of equality in the sense of divinity? For we know that They're not equal in authority (1 Cor. 11:3, 1 Cor. 15:27). Shavua tov.
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Post by alon on Jun 30, 2013 19:35:29 GMT -8
So you're speaking of equality in the sense of divinity? For we know that They're not equal in authority (1 Cor. 11:3, 1 Cor. 15:27). 1 Cor 11:3 "3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is the Messiah, and the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of the Messiah is God."
1 Cor 15:27-28 " for "He put everything in subjection under his feet." But when it says that "everything" has been subjected, obviously the word does not include God, who is himself the one subjecting everything to the Messiah. Now when everything has been subjected to the Son, then he will subject himself to God, who subjected everything to him; so that God may be everything in everyone."Absolutely in the sense of divinity. The verses you quoted (plus one) hold the key to understanding. Yeshua willingly subjects Himself to the Father's will; just as a good son would in a normal familial relationship, and just as a wife does in a functioning family. My understanding is that women have always been considered equals in Judaism, though with different duties toward God and family. That a woman places herself under the authority of her husband in no way makes her less, and if anything her duties are considered of greater importance. Marriage is a partnership, and only works when the husband acknowledges the importance and equality as a person and partner that is his wife. Likewise it only works if she acknowledges his authority as head of the family, and if both take their roles seriously, placing the family above themselves. Reading 1 Cor 15:27 in context, we see this relationship at work in the godhead. Again, I am still working through how the "godhead" actually is; whether it is three individual parts in perfect agreement or whether God just manifests Himself to us in a way we can relate to. He is an infinite being whose ways and very existence I'll probably never understand in this lifetime. And that's fine, as it isn't about my understanding, it is about His being God- holy, perfect, consistent, large and in charge, God. Dan C
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Miykhael
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Post by Miykhael on Jul 1, 2013 8:27:43 GMT -8
I hope I am on the same page here, see if I read this post right? Does this help or explained more clearly?
Philippians 2:6 Though he was in the form of God, he did not regard equality with God something to be possessed by force. Philippians 2:7 On the contrary, he emptied himself, in that he took the form of a slave by becoming like human beings are. And when he appeared as a human being, Philippians 2:8 he humbled himself still more by becoming obedient even to death— death on a stake as a criminal! Philippians 2:9 Therefore God raised him to the highest place and gave him the name above every name; Philippians 2:10 that in honor of the name given Yeshua, every knee will bow— in heaven, on earth and under the earth— Philippians 2:11 and every tongue will acknowledge that Yeshua the Messiah is ADONAI— to the glory of God the Father. (CJB)
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